Today I met Sparlocks Nephew. He is angry about the cut and paste corporation action against Sparlock at Youtube. Be prepared Philip Brumley, he told me.
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Sparlocks Nephew
by Gorbatchov intoday i met sparlocks nephew.
he is angry about the cut and paste corporation action against sparlock at youtube.
be prepared philip brumley, he told me.
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Annual meeting report about anointed
by Gorbatchov insplane mentioned the predecessors of the gb at his speach at the annual meeting 2012.. this is too crazy ?!?
they become mad at all!:.
"some of these were archbishop agobard of lyons in the 9th century, peter.
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Splane mentioned the predecessors of the GB at his speach at the annual meeting 2012.
This is too crazy ?!? They become mad at all!:
"Some of these were Archbishop Agobard of Lyons in the 9th century, Peter
of Bruys, Henry of Lausanne, and Valdes (or,
Waldo) in the 12th century, John Wycliffe in the
14th century, William Tyndale in the 16th century,
and Henry Grew and George Storrs in the
19th century."
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-13-2012 WT Study (URGENCY)
by blondie inmaintain your sense of.
how can we maintain our sense.
urgent now than ever?.
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I was there this morning, and for real, they answered like nobrains...
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Special talk
by Gorbatchov inbecause gorby has attended the memorial, he and his wife decide that one meeting a week was more then enough.. the rest of the family has attended the meeting this morning, including the special statement about the use of internet for marketing reasons instead of the magazines.. later on the day, we visited the family for a good cup of coffee.
nobody told us about the special statement!
and nobody asked us why we did not attend the special talk this day.. .
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Gorbatchov
Because Gorby has attended the memorial, he and his wife decide that one meeting a week was more then enough.
The rest of the family has attended the meeting this morning, including the special statement about the use of internet for marketing reasons instead of the magazines.
Later on the day, we visited the family for a good cup of coffee.
Nobody told us about the special statement! And nobody asked us why we did not attend the special talk this day.
Gorby
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Visiting the memorial
by Gorbatchov ini parked my 12 years old car in the lot between the new mercedes and volvo suv of two local elders.
i walked with my 2 kids and wife to the entrance of the hall.
one of the elders was assigned with the duty of a warm welcome for those who need it.
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Gorbatchov
Although Gorby is a (not so) regular visitor of the kingdom hall, he was welcomed like a newcomer when he entered the building!
I parked my 12 years old car in the lot between the new Mercedes and Volvo SUV of two local elders. I walked with my 2 kids and wife to the entrance of the hall.
One of the elders was assigned with the duty of a warm welcome for those who need it. So, I entered the building and he told me loud and encredibly close:
"Good evening, nice to see you here!". It felt like "ashole where have you been the last month's", with a big untrue smile. So I told him louder and a lot of
encredibly closer: " NICE TO SEE YOU HERE ALSO!". Like bitten by a snake, he was gone in a second".
During the evening, I had a lot of smiles at my face, thinking about this funny moment.
Attendance was not so good this year
Gorby
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WABC: Jehovah's Witnesses leave Brooklyn and sell 34 buildings
by Gorbatchov injehovah's witnesses to sell buildings, move upstatenew york (wabc) -- in the next few years, brooklyn could see one of the largest turnovers in real estate, all thanks to one seller.
the jehovah's witnesses are planning to sell all 34 of its buildings as they move their operations upstate.. .
the scope of the church's holdings is massive, 3.2 million square feet, more than the empire state building.
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Jehovah's Witnesses to sell buildings, move upstate
NEW YORK (WABC) -- In the next few years, Brooklyn could see one of the largest turnovers in real estate, all thanks to one seller. The Jehovah's Witnesses are planning to sell all 34 of its buildings as they move their operations upstate.
The scope of the church's holdings is massive, 3.2 million square feet, more than the Empire State Building. It's being valued at more than $1 billion, and once the properties are turned over to private owners, the tax dollars will be flowing.
The Watchtower buildings in DUMBO and Brooklyn Heights have been a fixture since 1909, when the Jehovah's Witnesses began buying up properties, one by one. Church members have quietly lived and worked there for decades. But now, the church has outgrown its facilities and is planning to move upstate, leaving prime real estate up for grabs.
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MORE: Get Eyewitness News delivered to you! "It's a beautiful location," said Richard Devine, of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. "I very much enjoy living here. Brooklyn Heights is a wonderful place to be. And we enjoy the neighborhood. We enjoy our neighbors. New York is a vibrant city. I personally have very mixed emotions about leaving the city. I really love it here."Part of the appeal of the buildings, aside from location, is their condition. The Jehovah's are known for their meticulous upkeep. The Leverich Towers Hotel was built in 1928, and it has been fully restored and used as apartments. The view from the roof is spectacular, and the possibilities are endless. Brooklyn Borough President Marty Markowitz knows what he would like to see.
"I, for one, hope that in the high-tech area, that the emphasis will be on alternative energy, as well as medical," he said. "Meaning scientific applications in terms of diseases. That's what I'm hoping we'll develop here."
The transition will take years to complete, with construction not yet underway for the Watchtower's new headquarters in Warwick. But once the buildings are sold, it could bring City Hall millions of dollars a year in tax revenue.
The move upstate has been under consideration for some time. Seven years ago, they moved their printing operations up to Wallkill to print Awake and Watchtower. The two monthly publications have a combined circulation of 70 million.
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Great fun about new magazine simplyfying
by Gorbatchov inyesterday i read about the new watchtower & awake magazine simplyfying (15 pages) on jwd and i got a very big big simle at my face.
(yes, the face is big also...).
because: the simplyfying is based on a new strategy: using internet (jw.org) for distributing the magazine content.. the big smile came from this: at a recent co visit, the co told the congretation the following: "everyone of us who suggests that our magazines and litterature has to be distributed by internet is a potential apostate and against the will of jehovah.
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Gorbatchov
Yesterday I read about the new watchtower & awake magazine simplyfying (15 pages) on JWD and I got a very big big simle at my face. (yes, the face is big also...)
Because: the simplyfying is based on a new strategy: using internet (jw.org) for distributing the magazine content.
The big smile came from this: at a recent CO visit, the CO told the congretation the following: "Everyone of us who suggests that our magazines and litterature has to be distributed by internet is a potential apostate and against the will of Jehovah. The real reason is if you thinking this way is that you don't want to go from door to door."
Great fun!!
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 03-04-2012 WT Study (GOD'S WORD)
by blondie inblood issue www.ajwrb.org.
word.
john 17:17.. .
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The curious case of the 2012 year text foundation watchtower article
by Gorbatchov ini had to write some text about my observations at last sunday's watchtower study... .
the curious case of the 2012 year text watchtower article.
the march 4 study article of the watchtower lay the foundations of the 2012 year text of jehovah's witnesses: "your word is truth.
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I had to write some text about my observations at last Sunday's Watchtower study...
The curious case of the 2012 year text Watchtower article
The March 4 study article of the Watchtower lay the foundations of the 2012 year text of Jehovah's Witnesses: "Your word is truth." - John 17:17
The article starts with first impression comments about Jehovah's Witnesses and their use of the Bible.
"A brief historical review will highlight the contrast between those who truly respect God's Word and those who do not".
What follows is a view inside the 49 C.E. gathering of the apostles and older men in Jerusalem about the uncircumcised Gentiles into their midst.
It was "not a mind-numbing theological debate over dry technicalities, but a lively doctrinal discussion. Strong opinions were expressed on both sides of the issue."
Paragraph 5 continues: "Compromise and lobbying are common at church councils today. However, at that meeting in Jerusalem, there was no compromise. nor did any lobbying for votes take place. What is more, a unanimous decision was reached".
This seems to be an author's message direct to the Governing body. Insiders, observers and readers of former Governing body member Ray Franz's publication "Crisis of Conscience" (1983) learned about the existing voting procedure inside the Governing body. They also learned about the lobbying in the corridors by Governing body members.
At page 32 the Watchtower quotes one member of the Governing body: "To know where we are going, we have to know where we have come from."
It seems that paragraph 14 starts to make clear where "we have come from."
The writer noticed "we cannot say for certain which individuals or groups belonged to the anointed wheat class, but we can confirm that there have always been some who have courageously defended God's Word and exposed the church's unscriptural teachings".
Who are these individuals? The paragraphs 15 - 17 give us some examples of those "we have come from." I made some additions from internet sources (Wikipedia etc.)
1. Archbishop (Saint) Agobard of Lyons, France (779-840 C.E.), spoke out against image worship, churches dedicated to saints and the church's unscriptural liturgies and practices.
A quick read in some Encyclopedias learns that " Agobard is notorious for his vocal attacks on the local Jewish population", "Agobard accused emperor Louis of abandoning his 817 Ordinatio imperii decree, which promoted an all-encompassing unity of church and empire."
2. (Catholic) Bishop Claudius of Turin.
3. Archdeacon Berengarius of Tours
"He spoke bitterly and unjustly of popes and councils, unable to forgive them for making him untrue to himself; but this meant no rejection of the Catholic conception of the Church. His opposition was limited to the eucharistic doctrine of his time, and he controverted the theory of Paschasius not least because he believed it was contrary to Scripture and the Fathers, and destructive of the very nature of a sacrament."
4. Peter of Bruys
"Peter of Bruys admitted the doctrinal authority of the Gospels in their literal interpretation; the other New Testament writings he seems to have considered valueless, as he doubted their apostolic origin.To the New Testament epistles he assigned only a subordinate place as not coming from Jesus Christ, but rather being the work of men. "
5. Henry of Lausanne
"He seemingly rejected the invocation of saints and also second marriages, and preached penitence. Women, inflamed by his words, gave up their jewels and luxurious apparel, and young men married prostitutes in the hope of reclaiming them."
6. Piere Valdes - Peter Waldo
"Sometime shortly before the year 1160 he was inspired by a series of events, firstly, after hearing a sermon on the life of St. Alexius ."
7. John Wycliffe (1330 - 1384)
"But he entered the politics of the day with his great work De civili dominio. Here he introduced those ideas by which the good parliament was governed – which involved the renunciation by the Church of temporal dominion. The items of the "long bill" appear to have been derived from his work. In this book are the strongest outcries against the Avignon system with its commissions, exactions, squandering of charities by unfit priests, and the like. To change this is the business of the State. If the clergy misuses ecclesiastical property, it must be taken away; if the king does not do this, he is remiss. The work contains 18 strongly stated theses, opposing the governing methods of the rule of the Church and the straightening out of its temporal possessions."
8. William Tyndale (1494 - 1536)
"In 1530, he wrote The Practyse of Prelates, opposing Henry VIII's planned divorce from Catherine of Aragon, in favour of Anne Boleyn, on the grounds that it was unscriptural and was a plot by Cardinal Wolsey to get Henry entangled in the papal courts of Pope Clement VII. [18] The king's wrath was aimed at Tyndale: Henry asked the Emperor Charles V to have the writer apprehended and returned to England under the terms of the Treaty of Cambrai, however, the Emperor responded that formal evidence was required before extradition. [19] Tyndale made his case in An Answer unto Sir Thomas More's Dialogue. In 1532, Thomas More published a six-volume Confutation of Tyndale's Answer, in which he alleged Tyndale was a traitor and a heretic."
9. Henry Grew (1781 - 1862)
"Before and during the convention, there was fierce debate about the participation and seating of women delegates and attendees. Grew sided with the British organisers and spoke in favour of the men's right to exclude women, despite his daughter's also being excluded. [3]
In 1854 a similar public debate took place when Grew and Mary attended the fifth annual National Women's Rights Convention in Philadelphia. Grew debated with Lucretia Mott, during which he lauded the supremacy and authority of men. "
" The writings of Henry Grew influenced George Storrs, and later, Charles Taze Russell. Henry Grew and George Storrs are both mentioned as noteworthy Bible students in the October 15, 2000 issue of the The Watchtower magazine, published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Jehovah's Witnesses."
10. George Storrs (1796 - 1879)
"Storrs became one of the leaders of the Second Advent movement and affiliated with William Miller and Joshua V. Himes. He began publication of his magazine The Bible Examiner in 1843 and continued it until 1879 with a few breaks. After a considerable amount of study, Storrs preached to some Adventists on the condition and prospects for the dead. His book Six Sermons explained his conditionalist beliefs.
Storrs' writings influenced Charles Taze Russell, who founded the Bible Student movement from which Jehovah's Witnesses and numerous independent Bible Student groups emerged."
Attending the Watchtower study I was surprised about these list of possible anointed Christians, and Governing body predecessors. Why? Because they are mainly members of the Catholic Clergy, including the titles and positions, and involved in governmental politics. Some started the anti-semitism in the Church, and so not the best examples of anointed Christians.
My personal conclusion is that the writer of this remarkable Watchtower article is one of the members of the Governing body, who want to set clear "were we have come from". Using the timeline in the article I imagine that this writer of the so called anointed class, sees himself a successor of the early Bishops and the early Churge Clergy rather than a part of the Clergy of a nowadays American religion.
Strange fact is, that I can hardly find a connection to the 2012 year text.
Gorby
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Watchtower Study today
by Gorbatchov intoday i attended the watchtower study in the local hall.
a strange article.
1) the article could say how the apostles and elders handled theologic problems.
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Today I attended the Watchtower study in the local hall. A strange article.
1) the article could say how the apostles and elders handled theologic problems. They didn't lobby and they didn't vote. They just came together, shared their thoughts and came to a conclusion.
The Governing Body acts on a opposite manner, Ray Franz told us.
2) The article slams down the early christian church fathers. One page further the article claims that many christians from church fathers till the late 1800 American christians like Storr's are annointed christians.
Strange strange strange doctrines.
Gorby