Sorry, Walt Disney story's enough...
And don't forget that even in Russia there is a legal system. Even in the USSR there was a kind of justice. The world is not black / white.
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Gorbatchov
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I'm 90% PIMO but events in Russia made me stop and think maybe Jehovah is real and helping
by Isambard Crater ini'm at the stage where i'd love a big scandal to come along showing clearly that the j.w's are not the true religion, but sometimes i get touched inside by various thoughts or events, the russian court trial being one of them.. i mean, j.w's are understandably fixated with attending the memorial, so why didn't the court say it will resume on monday or tuesday, instead setting wednesday 12 april as the date?
part of me believes the comments from pro-j.w's that jehovah moved events so they could attend the memorial.. it seems the j.w's will not be banned, which makes my mind and heart wrestle between thinking jah's behind it, or maybe the ministry of justice is just woefully prepared compared to the superb australian royal commission team who did their homework.
it surprises me the russians seemingly haven't done any homework..
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Circuit hall for sale - Netherlands (even has a website)
by Anony Mous inhttps://congreshal.nl/.
built in 1966, renovated 4 times since last in 2011, they then built a new one for eur 8m and sold this one.. roughly translated: the foundation for building and exploitation of congregation buildings of jehovah's witnesses (department bennekom) is happy to announce the sale of the congregation hall at edesweg 147 in bennekom.. the well maintained building of approximately 5700 sq meters divided in two layers with approximately 300 parking places on included property offers great possibilities for various fits.. on the edge of the "food valley" and "knowledge axis" lays the place bennekom currently fully under development.
both the reachability and the compartments of the buildings offer the space for various fits and cooperation between interested parties.. .
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Price is 10 milion Euro.
G.
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RUSSIA: (6 April 2017) Day 2 - Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way
by jwleaks intighter security today and much greater police presence.
great weather.. .
lunchtime view over moscow.. .
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Why they did not send Gertit Losch to tell that he is not under the direction of the society?? 😂😂
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RUSSIA: (6 April 2017) Day 2 - Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way
by jwleaks intighter security today and much greater police presence.
great weather.. .
lunchtime view over moscow.. .
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If it's fair, I doubt it, but one thing is true: Russia graps the Society by the balls! 😎
They attack them by their weak point: the organization!!
G.
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About the JW Russian action
by Gorbatchov inwhat i don't get about the russian petition action:.
watchtower launched at march, 21 the petition action.. in the instructions they write it can take 14 days for postal arrival in russia.. on april, 5 they expect legal clarification from the supreme court.. so, conclusion: the letters will arrive just around the day of clarification.. conclusion: this action is planned for media impact only.
if it was to make judges think, (what they don't do on a petition cry), .
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Thanks for the many reactions. The relation between Watchtower and state has my great interest.
About China: during the 90's Watchtower used the phrase "Kingdom of peace" instead of kingdom, Gods kingdom and Jesus kingdom. It was used at some conventions and some articles.
An University professor with good connections with jw officials told me it was done for clearing up relations with the Chinese government.
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About the JW Russian action
by Gorbatchov inwhat i don't get about the russian petition action:.
watchtower launched at march, 21 the petition action.. in the instructions they write it can take 14 days for postal arrival in russia.. on april, 5 they expect legal clarification from the supreme court.. so, conclusion: the letters will arrive just around the day of clarification.. conclusion: this action is planned for media impact only.
if it was to make judges think, (what they don't do on a petition cry), .
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Dreary,
What I mean to say is that this kind of proces, interaction between state and religion does not work effictive by using letters by members pretending to be general public. The other side of the table knows this and it disturbes a negotiation between involved party's.
It could be effective when there were made concessions. Like between China and the Watchtower during the 90's, when the Watchtower changed their definition of the word "Kingdom", for negotiation with the government.
Last moment action is a sign of ineffective negotiation. Case lost.
G.
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About the JW Russian action
by Gorbatchov inwhat i don't get about the russian petition action:.
watchtower launched at march, 21 the petition action.. in the instructions they write it can take 14 days for postal arrival in russia.. on april, 5 they expect legal clarification from the supreme court.. so, conclusion: the letters will arrive just around the day of clarification.. conclusion: this action is planned for media impact only.
if it was to make judges think, (what they don't do on a petition cry), .
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What I don't get about the Russian petition action:
Watchtower launched at March, 21 the petition action.
In the instructions they write it can take 14 days for postal arrival in Russia.
On april, 5 they expect legal clarification from the Supreme Court.
So, conclusion: the letters will arrive just around the day of clarification.
Conclusion: this action is planned for media impact only.
If it was to make judges think, (what they don't do on a petition cry),
they are much to late. The juridical clarification proces is not done in one or two days.
G.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-2-17 WT Study (January 2017)(ENTRUST)
by blondie inblondie’s comments you will not hear at the april 2, 2017 wt study (january 2017) (entrust).
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2017/these-things-entrust-to-faithful-men/ .
excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .
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Gorbatchov
Answers were given by sisters, Elders had faces like the cat who just eated Tweety... 😎
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WT about elder positions
by Gorbatchov inyesterday, visited the hall for family reasons.. wt was about elder positions, educate younger brothers, delegate your work etc.
the usual story about the body of elders, give younger people a change and don't get atached to your position.
what was evident: 90 percent of the answers came from the sisters.. the elders looked like the house cat just eaten tweety.. never heared so much theory and knowing it will be fully ignored.. why make it a 45 minute issue for every tom, dick and harry?.
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Yesterday, visited the hall for family reasons.
WT was about elder positions, educate younger brothers, delegate your work etc. The usual story about the body of elders, give younger people a change and don't get atached to your position.
What was evident: 90 percent of the answers came from the sisters.
The elders looked like the house cat just eaten Tweety.
Never heared so much theory and knowing it will be fully ignored.
Why make it a 45 minute issue for every Tom, Dick and Harry?
G.
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$25,000 for one-day assembly in our area
by Bonnie_Clyde inthey started out with a $3,500 carry-over but by the end of the day they were short $25,000.
the speaker eloquently beseeched the audience to go the atm machines and give their generous contribution or at least their widow's mite.
after the sessions were over, our friend who attended walked from one end of the assembly hall and then to the other end and noticed long lines up to both machines with people who couldn't wait to run up their credit cards.
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This is like a piramid fund. Jackpot!
G.