i just read in the paper today that an elderly man who was off - on as a witness recently died.. i was friends with his kids back in the 70's, so i am considering going to the memorial.
it will be on new years day.. since i am da'ed, and have not been inside a kh for around two years, what kind of reaction should i expect ?.
i am well aware of the shunning, but will i be treated like a criminal once i step inside ?
I agree with MadSweeny...............go, hold your head up high, be a kind, loving, Christian and pay your respects to the family, even if some scowl.
The family will not be able to do anything but remember that act of love until they die. Love is rarely shown in the congregation. Its all about rules and regulations. Do what comes natural.
ok my parents are coming from mexico.
my dad is a big name elder over there, being an elder for 40 years and worked in bethel, co, city overseer, and convention overseer for more than 20 years.. you name it.
and they also did the special pioneer thing (thats when i was born) ... anyway my mom's cousin (who is the head of a service table in bethel) invited them for a 3 day stay in the headquarters.. so they are coming to visit (since my grandpa is very ill)... .
It sounds like its not a matter of "thinking". Your family is about reputation and status. Ever see the Star Trek episode "Landrew"? That was creepy. Thinking and reasoning was rendered meaningless. Made me think about the WT.
Any "seeds" you attempt to plant, will cause them to throw up huge mental barriers against "apostate" thinking. IMO Its the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot.
Many on this site will cheer you on and let them have it. I dont. The WT has successfully set up an arrangement to quash this kind of action. It's called DF'ing. You might have the satisfaction of speaking the truth from you heart. But then you will have to live the rest of your life without your JW family.
Is it worth it?
any body care to add their own ideas?
imagine if god gave the gb the authority to rule the whole earth and everyone in it, right now, the same way they govern jw's, what the heck would that be like?.
after the temporary euphoria wore off (should last a good two minutes or so), the gb (or whatever they're calling themselves now) would have much to do.
When I first saw this thread, I was hoping OUTLAW would post some of his famous Nazi pics. Too late! He beat me to it. Love those Nazi pics. Reminds me of my old elder body.
as i've read through the new elder's book, something kept nagging at me about it.
then i went to compare one passage in the new book to the old and it hit me.
i've mentioned it on a couple of posts, but i wanted to start a thread on it.... what hit me was that the new book was like an instruction manual to supervisors in a plant.
My favorite chapter in the old book was "Imitate Jehovah, the shepherd and overseer of our souls"
It dealt with the loving ways Jehovah dealt with mankind and gave examples of how elders could do the same. Verry good advice. Bad thing is I dont ever remember studying it as a body.
We only studied the Judicial stuff. Too bad.
Now the new book looks dark. Not one mention of Jehovah, Jesus, love, or imitating them in any way in the chapter titles.
Oh boy
does anyone know the official stand on facebook?
is it in print?
1. not reccommended.
The WT is going to be a little gentle. What about Our Kingdom Ministry or Letters to BOE? The are nicely brutal. Any word?
does anyone know the official stand on facebook?
is it in print?
1. not reccommended.
Does anyone know the official stand on Facebook? Is it in print? If so, where?
Is it
1. Not reccommended
2. Conscience matter
3. Can you lose privilidges
4. DF
And by the way........why Facebook? Why not Twitter, AIM, Email, Text or any other form of Internet communication?
i have been collecting the public talk outlines.
i have almost all of them but there are a few missing.
i have tiles for some but just numbers for others.
Mad Sweeney
The Public talks automatically became "better" the moment they became 30 min. 15 min less to suffer through. Most speakers spent 15 min giving example after example after example of how bad things are in their introduction.
They will get even better if they make them 15 more min less.
speech?.
does not mean never expressing oneself.. it means speaking with graciousness,.
using gracious speech within the family.
Blondie, the reason elders get away with this crap is because of all the meetings and articles and talks about OBEDIENCE!!!
Obedience, ministry, obedience, ministry. Over and over again. When it comes to obedience the message comes across that elders need to be obeyed even if they are wrong.
This gives them carte blanche in how they treat people. Elders begin thinking "how can I be wrong when everyone has to obey what I say even if I say the wrong thing or in the wrong way"
Over the years, and there are many of them for me, I thought this situation would surely improve. This is God's organization right?
But it has only gotten worse. Way worse. This forum has informed me that the situation is not local. Rather, it is global.
Sheesh.
is this gods organization?.
after 50 yrs in, 25 as some type of servant in responsible position, i am beginning to wonder.. .
to me, gods organization should be exactly what the bible says.
hahahahahahaha
I want your picture
right on Outlaw
