splitting my sides throwing up!
How can he live with himself.
Truth is, he is speaking of what the Elite Rulers of this world have in store for us.
listen to this disgusting man as he waffles on about the great day of jehovah.if you listen closely you'll be able to hear his penis erecting.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvp_evuhdko.
splitting my sides throwing up!
How can he live with himself.
Truth is, he is speaking of what the Elite Rulers of this world have in store for us.
hello - first may i apologise for capital letters my keyboard has gone screwy.
for the last several months i have been having meetings with two really nice women from the jw organisation.
i don't want to offend anyone by asking these questions i am simply trying to better understand how the watchtower came about without listening to too much anti stuff.
Janey,
Those wonderful women have every good intention. Listen to me please.
I was 17 when two very nice women came to my door. I studied, I believed everything they said. I went to meetings and made my place there. I felt fake inside, but I thought that was just cos I was shy. They led me to get baptized and I was just 18. I did it because I thought it was the right thing to do.
You are very wise to question. Please do not stop questioning till you are satisfied and content with whichever way you go. The goal is to get you baptized ad make that like the Grand Prize.
Do as these people suggest: read about cults and read the experiences on this board. This board would not exist if all was well with WTS. You can know God just fine, even better without WTS. But you decide. We are here for whatever you choose.
secrets of the watchtower is a website which tells the incredible history of wts and it's founders, connecting dots like no othe resource.. i happened upon this site, but i have not had time to fully cover it yet.
has anyone else seen this site and is it as factaul as t appears to be?
if so, every one of us needs to read it.
You are dead on corrrect...it is the desire to create a one world government and so much more, including depoplualtion. No wonder they harp on Armeggeddon so much. They want to create it.. I spent the better part of the day reading through this material as I had not spent that much time with it before, just enough to know the jist. I nearly fell outta the chair on some things. There is some spooky shieten in that link.
If it says 'conspiracy theory' I'm looking deeper at it. That term has been given a bad rap. he cites many sources including th WTS itself.
I ran across this along time ago and bookmarked it for later reading. Looks like I shoulda done it waaaay back.
since we have had it recently proved that we are indeed being watched and monitored by the suits at bethal, i thought it would be fun to start a thread just for sending messages to these people... we can be sure they will be read;).
i'll start... " ha!
i've escaped well and truly and theres no way anyone of you will ever find me again!
I wish my full time job was to monitor this forum!
Hey Bethel, get a hint: nobody here likes you anymore. You burned us and left us for dead. Same will happen to you and we will be the ones cleaning out he bodies from your rubble. You had it all bass-ackwards.
Oh, BTW, Nanny Nanny Boo Boo, you can't hurt me!
Try and stop us. We are the ones carrying the TRUTH NOW!
sola scriptura answered andersonsinfo:.
the wt leadership has hammered into all of it's elders and rank & file's heads, that it is not wise for a man to be alone with a woman he is not married too (adult or young woman... ie 14).
even in congregation sanctioned duties.. so, why, then, do so many service pairings involve just that: a brother alone in the territory (even if it's to make a call) with a sister he's not married to?.
Thanks IA. I thought I had read that somewhere in this thread, but did not want to go back through it all.
They are both free. Looks like God gave them both the opportunity. They don't have to shun each other, do they?
Spike I know you don't see things the way we do. You see things the way you always have seen them...walk the line,be a good servant and don't make any waves. That not a bad thing, in fact admirable. Have you been asking for guidance from God yurself? have you been praying something would give you an opening to meet with her and talk? If you have, then your prayer has been answered.
God answers prayers and gives us what we ask for. Jesus told you that often enough, and when you ask in Jesus' name, it wiull be done. If you miss the anser, then you were expecting one thing and God gave you another that you didn't recognize.
You came here to bunce things off of us, and get our insight.
Get creative Spike. Get your phone number to her and tell her you'd like to meet over coffee sometime.
Being female, I am one to never call a guy unless I have an invite. Now I did make an exception to that . I had been searching for this man I had seen on the street for many years. One look at him and that was it! I had to know him. He was gorgeous! His words were kind and his manners were gentle. He played guitar to anyone who would listen and sang without a care in the world. His eyes were the Tru Blue kind speaking volumes that the depth of his soul was honest and good.
About three or four years passed and I saw him in a local restaraunt all by himself. I had come in to meet someone who never showed on teh spur of the moment and had just came from the shower, long hair dripping wet, clothes just thrown on, no make up, and hurried. And there he was. sitting at the counter with a glass of iced tea. I didn't think; I moved toward him and said things, can't even tell you what they were. He turned to me with those blue eyes and smiled. I gave him my number. and he called that night. We were together six years.
He was alot like you. in may ways. Extremely reserved. Hated crowds. was a loner. Highly intellectual. Didn't fit in.
Get creative a get connected.
sola scriptura answered andersonsinfo:.
the wt leadership has hammered into all of it's elders and rank & file's heads, that it is not wise for a man to be alone with a woman he is not married too (adult or young woman... ie 14).
even in congregation sanctioned duties.. so, why, then, do so many service pairings involve just that: a brother alone in the territory (even if it's to make a call) with a sister he's not married to?.
Lets address his actual concerns again:
From Spike post 1741:
Suppose a man and a woman are both in the official category of "NOT a JW" or "no longer a JW" but are both regular meeting attenders and studying, what communication is acceptable between them which would NOT "warrant a reproof"?
OK, am I to unerstand she is new, and you are ousted and being shunned but still go to every meeting you can? I just want to make this clear. If you are DF'd and she is not even baptized, then you are both free.
Please correct me if I misunderstood. and clarify once more.
Is she in but not baptized?
Are you supposed to be getting shunned?
sola scriptura answered andersonsinfo:.
the wt leadership has hammered into all of it's elders and rank & file's heads, that it is not wise for a man to be alone with a woman he is not married too (adult or young woman... ie 14).
even in congregation sanctioned duties.. so, why, then, do so many service pairings involve just that: a brother alone in the territory (even if it's to make a call) with a sister he's not married to?.
IA said: you are speaking of your own imaiginary jehovah spike. The one created by the WT. DUmp the WT pubs, dump the org and go read the Bible and learn abou tthe real God.
Aww shucks, I'm proud of you !
Spike knows God through the WT in his way and for now that suits him.
Spike, I am not siding here, just pointing out that our dear friend here actually said something extraordinary.
Here is an analogy: Boy ha a puppy. But puppy has to live in a cage, or kennel and can only be fed, played with and loved while he is in the kennel. He is well loved, and Boy really wants to hug him and hold him, and get his face all full of puppy kisses and run after balls in big green fields and take him places with him. But puppy must stay in pen. They can share love and show each other affection through the bars.
Guess which one is Boy and which one is puppy.
Why can't puppy come out? because he might do a bad thing, lke pee on something, or chew on something, or possibly run away!
But puppy needs a little guidance and training, and once he knows his place, will faithfully stay by Boy out of Love.
That is what you ave to look forward to in doing what Spike suggested, and as I suggested way back earlier in this thread. You do not have to be 'in' to know God. It is truth that sets you free, and truth says God is both out and in the borg. It is men that tell you God is only in the borg. They lie to keep you bound.
So dear one, should yo wish to come out and play, Boy will be delighted, but He'll still love you even while you are penned up. Just be happy .
for those of you who either didn't have time to read amazing's amazing threads on the child abuse issue:.
he was in court and interrogated by the witchtower attorneys, even asked for his social security number, and quizzed on lying testimony they claimmed to have about "sins" which he had never committed.. here it is:.
the watchtower attorney grilled me about my internet activity: they asked for my screen name on jwd (now jwn) ... yep ... they are watching ... and they watch other ex-jw sites ... i have more to say on this another time.
So. I have nothing to hide. They cannot hurt me. They really cannot hurt anyone unless we allow it. I bet if they sold "PROUD to Be Apstate" T shirts alot of us would want one. It would prove their interest in business and not in serving God.
sola scriptura answered andersonsinfo:.
the wt leadership has hammered into all of it's elders and rank & file's heads, that it is not wise for a man to be alone with a woman he is not married too (adult or young woman... ie 14).
even in congregation sanctioned duties.. so, why, then, do so many service pairings involve just that: a brother alone in the territory (even if it's to make a call) with a sister he's not married to?.
Don't any of you forum dorks, (you know who you are again) remember back in the day when you were young and inexperienced with girls, how you would want sooo bad to get somehting going with one, but were too chicken? It's kinda like that. Plus the situation is compunded by the 'all seeing eyes' that never seem to sleep.
I think Spike wants to talk, and express his interest in her but keeps himself in check for many reasons.
Boysone is right, you can do what your heart tells you and NOT a bunch of Bethel ass kissers who are trying to police your every move.
Is there anyone, and I mean ANYONE you can trust in that congregation you can talk to to see if maybe a liason can be formed first with her by a third party...just to see where her head is at? It would really suck if you climbed over your proverbial wall just to find she is not in the least interested in a relationship like you'd want her to be. Test the waters. Seek out a good friend. If she is not interested in a man/woman relationship, then, then we'll go from there.
sola scriptura answered andersonsinfo:.
the wt leadership has hammered into all of it's elders and rank & file's heads, that it is not wise for a man to be alone with a woman he is not married too (adult or young woman... ie 14).
even in congregation sanctioned duties.. so, why, then, do so many service pairings involve just that: a brother alone in the territory (even if it's to make a call) with a sister he's not married to?.
Yes, what Spike said. (Smiling)