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  Help! I need a Canadian Contact ASAP!!!

  by Lin in

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  please let me know here or email me direct with a canadian contact.

  i've been emailing with a woman who wants to connect with those in her area.

  please let me know!!!

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  jgnat

  Canada is a really big country. Which part of Canada? William Penwell is in BC, there is a couple of us in Alberta, Scully is in Manitoba I think, and there are others in Ontario..

  Edited by - jgnat on 6 September 2002 15:51:26
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  Shunned father's daughter dies

  by Rado Vleugel in

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  the 17-year-old jehovah's witness daughter of shunned father died thursday of leukemia.

  read this sad story and previous stories on http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/.

  rado vleugeledited by - rado vleugel on 6 september 2002 1:55:36.

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  My condolences to you, Larry. Nothing can bring your daughter back, but take comfort that you fought like a Papa Bear to do everything you could for Bethany. It sounds like she was a strong, courageous, and intelligent girl - a credit to your parenting.

  I am also angry that you were cut off from seeing your daughter to the bitter end.

  This is how you were quoted by the Edmonton Journal today: "I feel sad, and angry, very angry," he said. "I didn't even get a chance to see her. I didn't even get a chance to say goodbye. I had a moral and legal right to see my children, especially my dying daughter, and they stopped me from doing that. I think what they have done is criminal."
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  A "Warning"

  by AGuest in

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  to those who would "hate" the wtbts to the point of wishing great harm upon them... may you have peace!

  and may you permit me to share with you a sound warning from my father, the god of abraham, isaac and jacob, the holy one of israel, by means of his son and my lord, jaheshua mischajah... through holy spirit:.

  "take care in your anger.

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  Let those who love the Lord hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked. Psalm 97:10 NIV

  If I do nothing while I watch evil being done, I am a silent participant. I care very much for 6 million deceived souls. The organization? It is a name only, not a living thing. I can hate it's structure and the terrible aftermath of it's policies. I am permitted to hate evil.
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  WT Nov 4 Study Article - Damage Control??

  by Tish in

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  just been given this watchtower and found the 2nd study article very interesting..... is this the societies damage control to panorama and dateline?.

  para 8 onwards says...... 8 satan tries to break our integrity through the sowing of doubts about what we have been taught.

  today, as in the first century, apostates and others seek to destroy the faith of the guideless ones.

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  Tish - I think you are right. The October 1 article, "Jehovah Blesses and Protects Those Who Are Obedient" is along the same lines, but less blatant. I noted the following:

  "That lesson is expecially important to Christians today, for Satan is making an all-out effort to prey on God's people (Revelation 12:9, 12, 17) His goal is to destroy our spirituality so that we lose Jehovah's favor and the prospect of everlasting life (I Peter 5:8). However, if we stay close to God and respond swiftly to the direction we receive through his Word and organization, we can be assured of his protective care."

  This gives me a disheartening picture of mindless creatures running to the only security they have ever known - the organization - just as horses will run in to a burning barn in their confusion and fear. Jehovah does not require us to run mindlessly, in fear, in a time of crisis.

  I looked up all references to obedience in the greek scriptures, and found that o bedience is closely connected to listening. You hear the truth, and chose to follow. Not once is there direction to obey an organization, elder, or the "faithful and discreet slave".
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  Jonathan, the Disobedient Son

  by jgnat in

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  is it proper obedience to jehovah to humbly follow your anointed leader without question?

  is initiative and bravery rewarded, when you run ahead of your anointed leadership?

  (1 samuel 14:43-45, darby)

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  jgnat

  Is it proper obedience to Jehovah to humbly follow your anointed leader without question? Is initiative and bravery rewarded, when you run ahead of your anointed leadership? Did Jehovah bless Jonathan, even in his disobedience?

• King Saul was an anointed leader of Israel

(1 Samuel 10:1, 6, 9, 25 11:15)

• King Saul goes ahead of the man of God, and loses Jehovahs favour
(1 Samuel 13:13,14)
• Jonathan goes ahead of his father and goes after the Philistines on his own initiative
(1 Samuel 14:1)
• Jonathan disobeys his father again by eating in the heat of battle
(1 Samuel 14:27-30)
• King Saul makes an oath to punish the one who disobeyed
(1 Samuel 14:39)

And Saul said to Jonathan, Tell me what thou hast done. And Jonathan told him and said, With the end of the staff which is in my hand I tasted a little honey , and behold, I must die! And Saul said, God do so to me and more also; thou shalt certainly die, Jonathan. And the people said to Saul, Shall Jonathan die, who has wrought this great salvation in Israel? Far be it! as Jehovah liveth, there shall not a hair of his head fall to the ground; for he has wrought with God this day. So the people delivered Jonathan, that he died not. (1 Samuel 14:43-45, Darby)

Saul was fully prepared to kill his son in his disobedience, as he had made a solemn oath before Jehovah. Who saved Jonathan?

(I prepared this little study as a counterpoint to the WT October 1 article, "Jehovah Blesses and Protects Those Who are Obedient" The article provides a one-sided argument for total obedience, and promises disastrous results for those who disobey. "..if we stay close to God (read WTS) and respond swiftly to his Word and organization (emphasis mine) we can be assured of his protective care.")

Net buddies: do you have some other bible examples where disobedience was the correct course? David's flight to the wilderness comes to mind. David did not want to stick around to have Saul cut his head off.

Edited by - jgnat on 3 September 2002 9:47:55

Edited by - jgnat on 3 September 2002 9:52:12