Posts by jgnat
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64Are Born Agains qualified to help JW's?
by sleepy in.
are born agains qualified to help jw's?.
i don't think so.sorry if you are one i have nothing against you personnally, nor jw's come to think of it, but offering your version of truth to jw's is for them to jump out of the frying pan into the fire.. the bible is the root of jw problems , and following that book in which ever way you wish will always be in error..
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Are Born Agains qualified to help JW's?
by sleepy in.
are born agains qualified to help jw's?.
i don't think so.sorry if you are one i have nothing against you personnally, nor jw's come to think of it, but offering your version of truth to jw's is for them to jump out of the frying pan into the fire.. the bible is the root of jw problems , and following that book in which ever way you wish will always be in error..
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jgnat
DJ, thank you for responding so quickly.
I would agree with you that I have never had the society's fear-mongering ground in to my soul. The seemingly innocuous words to the rest of society, like Truth, Loyal, and Jehovah's Disapproval do not have the same magnetic affect on me as it has on XJW's. I am far more free to browse the Bible and interpret as I like, not having been knocked down for independent thinking in my faith.
Also, I would agree there are no "quick fixes" when it comes to sharing with an active JW. I bet the average Christian would like a short booklet with key scriptures laid out and a ten-step process to guarantee success. There is just too much information about the society; their buzzwords and killjoy words; for the average Christian to jump in and whisk a JW out of their deception. I bring up inconsistency after inconsistency to my Honey, and hit the brick wall. Far more effective lately, is to remind him to obey some of the rules he really hates (but can't admit). The conflict between his natural man and the put-on JW man makes him crazy. I still maintain that love works, and anybody can do that. A neighbourly casserole, mowing the lawn, shovelling the sidewalk, friendly greetings...again, the conflict between what is, and how Babylon the Great is supposed to be, drives them crazy. There is no defence for love.
I am sensitive, however, to suggestions that I cannot relate. Regardless of our differences in history, I have experienced abuse, hate, fear, manipulation, rejection, grief. It annoys me, for instance, to see widows and divorcees argue amongst each other who had it worse off. We do have experiences in common, and can support each other regardless of our differences.
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Are Born Agains qualified to help JW's?
by sleepy in.
are born agains qualified to help jw's?.
i don't think so.sorry if you are one i have nothing against you personnally, nor jw's come to think of it, but offering your version of truth to jw's is for them to jump out of the frying pan into the fire.. the bible is the root of jw problems , and following that book in which ever way you wish will always be in error..
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jgnat
DJ, I sense some elitism here. You do not know enough about me to judge me "unhelpful" to XJW's.
Let me tell you a story. And this happened before I knew as much about the society that I do now. In High School, two girls decided not to participate in a school-sponsored native sweetgrass ceremony. One girl was my daughter, the other a girl (Jane, here) converting to the WTS. They got to talking. My daughter was flabbergasted at some of the beliefs Jane had, and took it upon herself to bring her around. With some help of her Youth Pastor, she researched the history of the WTS and some key scriptures. She highlighted. She typed out notes. She prepared.
I suggested that argument was unlikely to bring Jane around. Someone you can argue out of a point of view, can be just as easily argued in to a different one. I told my girl to show Jane lots of love. There is no defence or argument against love. A genuine friendship developed between the two girls, and eventually, my daughter invited Jane out to a Youth Group meeting. That first meeting was an eye-opener for Jane, as there was funky music, fun, laughter, and genuine acceptance. My daughter was a little put out, because Jane quickly latched on to HER friends. Within a few months, Jane had stopped studying with the WTS and joined my daughter's youth group.
I and my daughter knew virtually nothing about the WTS. Yet we helped. I know injustice when it is staring me in the face. I am good at fighting injustice.
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I'm Upset and Annoyed
by Scully inmy brother (raised a jw, never baptized, not a jw at all) and i were talking this morning, and he informed me that our grandmother - our last living grandparent - is very ill. it sounds as though she will die soon, because she stopped taking her insulin and all other medications.
my mother informed my brother after receiving a phone call from her brother/my uncle.. i'm the only one of my siblings who was not informed directly by our mother.
out of all my siblings, i'm the only one who was baptized as a jw and then left, so i'm thinking this is par for the course with being shunned, although my grandmother was never a jw herself.
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jgnat
Sorry to hear about your grandma, Scully. My condolences. I hope you have a chance to be with her and say your goodbyes before she is gone. As for family politics, your heart is grieved right now and it is hard to see things objectively. When I look at all the family funerals I have been a part of over the years, they were the times that the most hurtful and divisive things were said. I is too bad, as it pushes everyone apart at a time when we need each other the most.
My advice is to ignore the slight for now. You do not want to say something in a moment of anger and grief that will be difficult to take back. There will be plenty of time later to follow up.
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Are Born Agains qualified to help JW's?
by sleepy in.
are born agains qualified to help jw's?.
i don't think so.sorry if you are one i have nothing against you personnally, nor jw's come to think of it, but offering your version of truth to jw's is for them to jump out of the frying pan into the fire.. the bible is the root of jw problems , and following that book in which ever way you wish will always be in error..
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jgnat
Are Born Agains qualified to help JW's? I have a lot of difficulty with the way this question is worded. For one thing, it is not a multiple-choice answer. It sounds like the typical JW black-and-white mindset.
i.e. Are Christendom's churches Chosen by Jehovah, or part of Babylon the Great, Satan's lying horde?
During my short time on the board, I find that xJW's come in all shapes and sizes. Some leave with a bang, others fade. Some chat, others listen. Some reevaluate their faith and become stronger in their beliefs as a result, others reevaluate and reject their faith altogether. Many are still searching, each in their own unique way. I find this far more genuine than what can be seen at the typical Kingdom Hall. It is unlikely that God created us all to be uniformly alike.
In the same way, I believe those who claim to be "Born Again" come in many shapes and sizes. i.e. Joe Jerk finds God. Next week, he is pushing a bible in the face of his family and friends instead of a beer. I used to puzzle over this for years. Now I figure, God needs to do more renovation work on some. Over time, Joe figures out that some of those bible verses also apply to his behavior.
As a Christian, can I help everyone who comes to the board? Probably not. Can I provide empathy and support to some? I do hope so.
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Probably a dumb question.
by els ini've been lurking around reading pretty much all of the posts for probably a month.
i just registered and set up a profile which has a brief synopsis of my life.
well the first thing i want to ask is, what does dub stand for?
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jgnat
Welcome! I am glad you are able to stay in touch with your family. Some time you will have to share with us what your magic is.
Check out this thread on The Definition of Dub. Enjoy!
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Retirement
by larc inhow many of you know of jws who are in dire straights because they made no plans for their future retirement?.
i have been out for a very long time, so i don't know too many jws anymore.
let me tell you the story i do know.
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I NEED SCANDLE INFO !! ~~
by curiouschristy inok, everyone knows i'm new here, thank you all for being so nice to me!.
i keep reading how alot of you in here talk about scandles, and how the gb is a bunch of crap, yada yada.... well, i really need to know what exactly you guys are talking about.. is there anyone that can fill me in on this, maybe give me sites to look at, or email me info that will satisfy me on this subject?.
i feel like if i get all the info i need on things like this and others, it will help me get over my " guilt" feelings, and such, so i can knock out that asshole in the back of my mind that keeps telling me i'm in the wrong here!!
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jgnat
Christy, there is really so much material, you really should narrow down what you are interested in. The heading Scandal and Coverups is a good start.
Some here are interested in pointing out the errors in Watchtower doctrine and practices and their supposed truthful and accurate interpretation of the bible. People that care about that tend to hang out in Bible Research, Beliefs Doctrine & Practices, and Study Articles...try this link.
Others left the society because of obvious injustices done to families or children due to their treatment of sex abuse cases, disfellowshipping, and the blood doctrine. People that care about that hang out in Child Abuse, Blood and Medical Treatment, Mental Health and Depression...etc.
The busiest place though, is Friends. I suspect you might have the most fun there. Being cut off from the society leaves a void. This is a place you can discuss your opinions freely without guilt, and make new friendships.
Edited by - jgnat on 14 September 2002 11:24:14
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Taunt the Watchtower God here.
by refiners fire inwell, if we are going to taunt the wt org monitors we might as well taunt the wt god as well.
hey jesus!
youve been on the throne damn near a hundred years.
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jgnat
LOL Madman! Point well taken. Perhaps I should have used my calculator first. In fact, the Bethel department of Future Events could use this authoritative scriptural reference to come up with a new date for Armageddon (calculating in for the inevitable construction delays, of course).
But what about the world, universe, and everything in it created in six days? Wouldn't Jesus have some sub-contractors helping him in the last 2000 years? There are 24 thrones with 24 elders...or are they not there yet? Darned inefficient.
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Taunt the Watchtower God here.
by refiners fire inwell, if we are going to taunt the wt org monitors we might as well taunt the wt god as well.
hey jesus!
youve been on the throne damn near a hundred years.
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jgnat
Here is a thought about the Witness Jesus.
In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I come again, and will receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:2-3 ASV
Lessee... he has spent the last 2000 years building 144,000 mansions. If he were my contractor, I would have fired him!
Edited by - jgnat on 14 September 2002 10:41:49