no, i didn't knock someone up [;)].
my ex-wife called me up the other day.
she said she needed to talk to someone, and i was the only one she can talk to about this.
I think you were right on to judge this a last ditch effort. The proof was when she basically said, "Oh, well, if you won't have me, the society will." This is somebody looking for anyone else but herself to take responsibility for her life.
You made a good choice to move on.
judge: sisters may pursue church case
the telegraph, feb. 26, 2003. http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/.
by andrew wolfe, telegraph staff.
When abuse occurs, those held liable often go beyond the abuser. You might remember a well-publicized case of child endangerment last year. Twin girls died while in the care of their grandfather, who was transporting them from Alberta to his home in Ontario.
Was only the grandfather responsible, or were others culpable as well? Did the social worker in Alberta take appropriate steps to make sure the babies were being transported in a safe manner? Did the social services system in Alberta help or hinder care for those babies?
http://www.theobserver.ca/2002/pts_020731.html
By the way, the grandfather was proved innocent. The social worker in Alberta was fired. In the same way the WTS should be held responsible for the way it handles or protects abusers, either directly or by its policies.
one chapter details how the governing body decided that certain conduct between husband and wife in bed would be grounds for divorce and disfellowshipping (formal excommunication and shunning).
after the edict was issued (the watchtower december 1, 1972, pages 734-736) numerous marriages broke up as a result.
then, seven years later, the governing body changed its mind and reversed the policy.
This link should give you plenty of food for thought.
http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/oral.htm
Let me know what you think.
i havent been on this site for a while (and its changed a bit) there are so many new people here.x-jw's seem to crawl out of every corner.just wondering is there any accurate or nealy there ,way that we could calculate just how many x-jw's there are in the world.any guess's
Here is one, from the Freeminds site.
How many members are lost each year?
No direct figures are available for this. However, calculate the increase between 1992 and 1994 and compare to the number baptized.
1994 Average Publishers (4,695,111) less
1993 Average Publishers (4,483,900) equals
211,211. Yet 314,818 were baptized, a loss of 101,841.
Or, compare:
1993 Average Publishers (4,483,900) with 1992 Average Publishers (4,289,737) equals
194,163. Yet 296,004 were baptized, a loss of 103,607.
Compared to the baptism figures, there are missing numbers of 101,841 and 103,607, respectively. This figure encompasses the deceased, the inactive, disfellowshipped, and disassociated. (A 1% mortality rate may be expected, but a JW who has investigated this has suggested that 0.5% is more likely given the demographic profile of membership.) It is also inflated by those who were baptized in 1994 but were already active preachers in 1993, but this is more than compensated by the larger number who are preachers in 1994 but not yet baptized, i.e. still students (usually so for a few months) or unbaptized children (perhaps for 10 years or more). As with all these figures, the picture varies greatly across the world.
just interested to know.....do any here suffer from "panic attacks" or have done so in the past?
just interested to know.
if so, how did you/do you deal with them....?
LyinEyes, you might enjoy this link on Sleep Paralysis. I think it describes your symptoms quite well.
have there been any takers or requesters of such a thing?
are there other sites where this has happened?
amiable
That's the kind of thing I would've liked to see. But how do you know that's really who jst2laws was? Not asking for names or anything, but does anyone here claim to have known him personally? Does Farkel remember debating him here or remember him as a JW? I'll look up some of their old posts.
Oooh, this is just tooo funny. joy2bfree knows jst2laws intimately. ROTFL.
Check out this link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/3642/44039/post.ashx#44039
have there been any takers or requesters of such a thing?
are there other sites where this has happened?
amiable
No, really, Stinky Pantz, you first. Molhie responded to your question first, me as an afterthought. LOL. I feel a little bit like Dale or Chip from Chip and Dale.
Hillary_Step, I agree with you. You Know was definitely apostate by definition. And, by definition, I am not.
a fool will believe anything.proverbs 14:15, todays english version.
there is a differencea big differencebetween education and propaganda.
education shows you how to think.
Jourles, that was absolutely great advice. Then I got to the last line, and it totally freaked me out. Which parts of that article was lifted from Awake?
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i just wanted to extend my sincerest apologies to everyone.. i did not mean to insult anyone.
i hope you can forgive me.
(((((Elswhere))))). A big, comfy, matronly squeezy kind of hug.
have there been any takers or requesters of such a thing?
are there other sites where this has happened?
amiable
If Molhie is agreeable, I will set aside my question in favour of Stinky Pantz for now. We can do my question later. No reason to totally overwhelm the guy.
I think the JWs should look for a serious champion, like a David to meet Goliath, or a Goliath to meet David.
Highly unlikely. A serious JW would not risk apostacy by openly debating WT doctrine on the internet.
