Posts by JWoods

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WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY?

by Dogpatch in

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who are the false prophets today.

by barbara anderson.

in 1991, one of the watch tower societys senior writers, colin quackenbush, told me in the privacy of his office about letters which the society had received from prominent and credible elders, not apostates (thats exactly what he said), who were concerned about the increase in accusations saying that jehovahs witnesses were false prophets.

JWoods

Let's just ask again in review -

Is there any other major religion (except the JWs) who actually set dates for the end multiple times in the 20th century?

I am aware of only a few fringe cults (Heavens Gate, others like them) - but none as well established and famous as the witnesses. The mainstream adventists had learned their lesson and quit this before 1900.

I don't know of anybody else who was written up in Time magazine as having been "burned by false prophecy in the past" - let's face it: The witnesses, by virtue of their constant preaching about their notions of the end - have become the poster child for false eschatological prophecy.

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Question for Titus

by Albert Einstein in

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titus, you today made a statement regarding an essential wt doctrine: .

i am an active jw.. can i tell you what that doctrine is?.

bullshit!.

JWoods

If Titus stays, there is a chance he can become un-indoctrinated.

If he goes away, likely he is stuck in the cult.

I understand he agrees that all the chronology is BS. What I would like to ask next is - does he agree with their notion that every non-witness on earth will be killed by their god at the battle of Armageddon?

Further, does he still believe that the bible really says that only 144,000 will go to heaven? (which it manifestly does not)

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Pagan Origins

by brotherdan in

so all of us that grew up as witnesses never did certain things because of them having pagan origins.

why don't we celebrate christmas?

pagan origins.

JWoods

What I never understood was how "the worldly thanksgiving holiday" had any pagan origins - but it is still off limits by the WTBTS rules.

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Pagan Origins

by brotherdan in

so all of us that grew up as witnesses never did certain things because of them having pagan origins.

why don't we celebrate christmas?

pagan origins.

JWoods

It would be wrong to drive a Mercury.

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Thinking about the "two witnesses" rule for disfellowshipping -

by JWoods in

it just occurred to me that very possibly the jws are violating their own rule of "two witnesses" to convict a member of sin.. they have also long held the rule that if a man and a woman spend the night alone, this is evidence of adultery - but are there really two witnesses to adultery?

at the most, it would mean that there could have been two witnesses that they stayed under one roof for the night - not necessarily that they did the deed.

i personally know of certain cases where people have been dfd on this kind of "evidence" even when they protested that no sex took place.. what it made me think about is the greatly restrictive rule on proof of child molestation - here it is practically impossible to obtain their standard of "two witnesses" - in this case, the witnesses have to effectively observe the actual act of molestation.. is this a double standard?

JWoods

Isn't it also true that the original rule was that the man and woman had to stay in the house overnight in order to invoke this rule?

What if they were in some sleazy motel for an hour or so during the day?

Really, if they are just making this up as they go along (like LeavingWT accurately points out), and can disfellowship anybody they want - it is a further indictment of their total disinterest in protecting children from pedophiles in the congregation. That is, that so very few are ever DFd for child molestation even after being credibly caught.

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Speaking in Tongues

by Pinned Blouse in

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i have visited several churches with family and friends and this is something that i cannot get used to.

i do not know if this is basically done in black churches or not ( i am aa) but it makes me a little uncomfortable.

i will say that i have had feelings in these churches that i have never felt in the kh.

JWoods

Yuk. Maybe Tilton should demonstrate the handling of deadly snakes for us, as well.

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Thinking about the "two witnesses" rule for disfellowshipping -

by JWoods in

it just occurred to me that very possibly the jws are violating their own rule of "two witnesses" to convict a member of sin.. they have also long held the rule that if a man and a woman spend the night alone, this is evidence of adultery - but are there really two witnesses to adultery?

at the most, it would mean that there could have been two witnesses that they stayed under one roof for the night - not necessarily that they did the deed.

i personally know of certain cases where people have been dfd on this kind of "evidence" even when they protested that no sex took place.. what it made me think about is the greatly restrictive rule on proof of child molestation - here it is practically impossible to obtain their standard of "two witnesses" - in this case, the witnesses have to effectively observe the actual act of molestation.. is this a double standard?

JWoods

Yes, of course that is true, LeavingWT - but isn't it also true that they very seldom agree on it in cases of child abuse?

Better to sweep that under the rug -

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Thinking about the "two witnesses" rule for disfellowshipping -

by JWoods in

it just occurred to me that very possibly the jws are violating their own rule of "two witnesses" to convict a member of sin.. they have also long held the rule that if a man and a woman spend the night alone, this is evidence of adultery - but are there really two witnesses to adultery?

at the most, it would mean that there could have been two witnesses that they stayed under one roof for the night - not necessarily that they did the deed.

i personally know of certain cases where people have been dfd on this kind of "evidence" even when they protested that no sex took place.. what it made me think about is the greatly restrictive rule on proof of child molestation - here it is practically impossible to obtain their standard of "two witnesses" - in this case, the witnesses have to effectively observe the actual act of molestation.. is this a double standard?

JWoods

It just occurred to me that very possibly the JWs are violating their own rule of "two witnesses" to convict a member of sin.

They have also long held the rule that if a man and a woman spend the night alone, this is evidence of adultery - but are there really two witnesses to adultery? At the most, it would mean that there could have been two witnesses that they stayed under one roof for the night - not necessarily that they did the deed. I personally know of certain cases where people have been DFd on this kind of "evidence" even when they protested that no sex took place.

What it made me think about is the greatly restrictive rule on proof of child molestation - here it is practically impossible to obtain their standard of "two witnesses" - in this case, the witnesses have to effectively observe the actual act of molestation.

Is this a double standard? Seems so to me, after thinking about it.

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Long Distance Adultery and Other Issues

by buddhaisbetter in

allow me a moment to introduce myself: first of all, i am not a member of your faith as surely can be garnered from my choice of user name.

i joined this forum with the intention of getting some information on a situation i'm forced to contend with that concerns my son.

my questions are not designed to bash your beliefs, regardless of my personally held opinions and i hope that any discussion can be conducted without contention.

JWoods

Well, first of all - almost everybody here is an EX-JW. This forum is primarily for people who have broken out of the cult. Reading some of the threads here will give you a picture about how hard it is to leave this religion once you have gotten involved in it.

Aside from the JW issue, it sounds to me like both of these people have some serious life issues - in my opinion, low self esteem is just the beginning. This relationship, as you have probably guessed, is nothing but trouble - besides the fact that she is getting him involved into a high-control cult.

I would continue to research the witnesses here, and have a serious talk with this boy about exactly what he is getting himself involved in.

You are, by the way, right about something being wrong with the supposed instructions from the elders which was given to the girl - I cannot believe that they told her it was OK in any way, shape, or form to continue to have contact with your son. Probably she has fabricated that. In strict JW rules, this girl could have been disfellowshipped (JW version of excommunication) just for being in the hotel room with him alone overnight.

It is hard for a normal person to believe that the girl could both break the rules of her own religion, and at the same time try to get your son involved in it - but, it is not that uncommen because this is a mind control cult and very difficult to break away from.

Good luck, hope you can help him see the danger of this religion.

James

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Shoe Repair

by leavingwt in

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some folks can deliver on their promises.

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JWoods

It is so cute that I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.