i just recently got a facebook page and started to look up some old jw friends (im a long time fader).
i see there pictures and comments and feel kinda jealous that they all look happy (im in a rough stage in my life).
i never was happy as a jw, and since i faded i am more comfortable in my own skin....the future looks bright for me.
I see there pictures and comments and feel kinda jealous that they all look happy (im in a rough stage in my life).
I think that the operative phrases here are "seem like" and "look like" (they are) happy.
Happy is not having to "look like" you are happy.
a question here mainly for ex-elders etc , though all input would be helpful.. a letter that i wrote some time ago confidentially to an elder regarding the usual issues about the gb etc has come into the hands of a couple of members of the congregation who are regarding it a prime facie evidence that i am an apostate.
though the letter isn't especially incriminating as such , it does flag up several mistakes that the wtbts has made.
the brother has described me as "verging on apostate.".
When the time passes, and the old cask has time to age - you will view your good honest DF via the "go to hell in your pickup truck, buddy" as probably one of the finest accomplishments of your entire life.
And that's the truth, Ruth.
i posted a similar topic a year and a half ago.
i thought with all the new people it would be interesting to ask it again.
so i began to research ... and here i am.
Monkeys either cannot afford a bra, or they live in dis-advantaged communities where neither the bra nor the cosmetic surgery are available to them.
I just want there to be whirled peas all over the earth so that no one will ever have to be hungry again.
Thank you.
a question here mainly for ex-elders etc , though all input would be helpful.. a letter that i wrote some time ago confidentially to an elder regarding the usual issues about the gb etc has come into the hands of a couple of members of the congregation who are regarding it a prime facie evidence that i am an apostate.
though the letter isn't especially incriminating as such , it does flag up several mistakes that the wtbts has made.
the brother has described me as "verging on apostate.".
This was exactly how I was able to accomplish my DF, way back in about 1979. It took them until 1981 to work up the guts to act on it.
Of course, your local congregational politics may vary.
source - http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/bethsarim.php.
"rutherford wished to be buried at either beth-sarim or beth-shan.
on rutherford's death knorr and the watchtower society went to court in an attempt to have rutherford buried at beth-sarim.
I don't think it was invented later because the 'elders of old' were on the deed to the property. There was a copy of that deed on JWD 2 or 3 years ago.
Well, that may have been the legalistic jingoism to avoid calling it Rutherford's property (and I know the teaching had been around for a while - wasn't this thing bought in around 1927 or so?)
But I somehow cannot see the cooler heads at the top of the Society in that day actually believing they were coming to live there. After all, this was in the exact era where they realized that the 144,000 number was getting mighty crowded and just up and invented the great crowd for political expediency.
Not that we will ever know, of course.
keep it simple if possible........i like the ice core samples.........thanks, this was not my big issue but i may be able to use it.......oompa.
feel free to direct me to another thread btw...... or maybe i should read the second page of olins thread!.
I am pretty sure that the shaolin monks kept the flood waters at bay with their Chi.
The reflected moon is a theme which occurs in many koans.
Chiyono studied Zen for many years under Bukko of Engaku...still she could not attain the fruits of meditation. At last one moonlit night she was carrying water in an old wooden pail strung with bamboo. The bamboo broke, the bottom fell out of the pail. At that moment she was set free.
She said - "No more water in the pail, no more moon in the water"
<perhaps some witnesses (indeed others) should reflect on the differences between illusion and reality>
keep it simple if possible........i like the ice core samples.........thanks, this was not my big issue but i may be able to use it.......oompa.
feel free to direct me to another thread btw...... or maybe i should read the second page of olins thread!.
It is rather amusing to note the disbelief that the Chinese scholars met medieval missionaries with about their flood notions.
According to the missionaries, the Flood occurred somewhere around 2300BC...but Chinese history (written history) went back literally hundreds of years before this date - naming their emporers, events, and even verifiable celestial observations such as eclipses.
They certainly had no history of a world-wide flood, or a single ancestor called Noah.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvvibxtshk0&nr=1.
I have often wondered if he were not just trying to do a take-off of Michael Jackson with this JW stuff.
source - http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/bethsarim.php.
"rutherford wished to be buried at either beth-sarim or beth-shan.
on rutherford's death knorr and the watchtower society went to court in an attempt to have rutherford buried at beth-sarim.
I always wondered if the story about the "home for the elders of old" was not just a cynical cover story (invented later) for there being fixed up a mansion to keep the crazy Judge kind of cooped up out in the west where he could do less harm...
I mean after all - if you actually included them ALL, this would have been pretty tight quarters.
Plenty big enough for the Judge and his secretaries, though -
Sorry, but I think the leadership had pretty much privately dumped this "resurrected men of old" theory and never did they really expect them to be living there. People I knew who were there in the 30s have told me that they sort of looked down on the believers in this as being sort of hillbilly rubes - laughing about how some were looking around for anybody with a beard and wondering if they were Daniel or Jeremiah or such -
In other words, I submit that anybody in the real know was perfectly clear this mansion was a luxury assisted living for the Judge.
source - http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/bethsarim.php.
"rutherford wished to be buried at either beth-sarim or beth-shan.
on rutherford's death knorr and the watchtower society went to court in an attempt to have rutherford buried at beth-sarim.
You think Rutherford was a stinker in life, just think what that old bastard smelled like after being dead for 3 1/2 months!
Good point, but there IS always the possibility that he was already pretty well embalmed by being pickled with bourbon.
I have for a long time wondered if the two big V-16 Cadillacs were preserved and might be in collections today - but have never had any confirmation from any of the old-car people I know.
Probably a self-respecting collector would not really want to admit who the original owner was in this case - the Al Capone car notwithstanding.
