Posts by JWoods

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Are You Still Thrilled With President Obama?

by minimus in

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his motto is "yes we can!

" has he done what you expected?

any concerns?

JWoods

TRUE STORY: In 1963, when I was 14, my grandfather sold the family business and put the money into a family trust. My mom and dad got so mad about it that they decided they "wanted change".

They entered into a long-time fued with my grandparents, my dad tried out new weird jobs instead of going to work for the new owners as their GM like they asked him to, and joined the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Most horrible for me, (car enthusiast already) - that same year they traded off "my" beloved white 1959 Ford Galaxy 2-door hardtop for Gawd Help Me - a 4 door Rambler Ambassador!!!

It took quite a while for everybody to realize that this was all change that nobody wanted and was done much in the spirit of "we have to do something, we have to do something...sky is falling, sky is falling...) and, it took years to set it right.

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Universal Health Care, Pluses and Minuses

by watson in

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it's a little late to be posting something like this, but i hope you can help me a little.

i would really like to review some of the pluses and minuses of universal type health care.

so here are some for consideration.

JWoods

Maybe I should have phrased that better on "goalposts being moved on every play"...I am not so sure that the goalposts are being moved; maybe just the referees are changing the rules and terminology on every play.

What was being presented as a compassionate bill for the 47m who do not have "good insurance of their own" is now looking a lot like a government takeover/dissassembly of the Health Insurance industry. Look to the Auto Industry for a good prototype - and the irony is that the Health Insurance industry is about the only thing left in the U.S. other than dope peddling or fast food that is still making money. Big Health Insurance is now the enemy-mantra of the proponents of Big Government Everything.

Wonder what the loss of these workers will do to the already sick economy and unemployment figures?

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Universal Health Care, Pluses and Minuses

by watson in

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it's a little late to be posting something like this, but i hope you can help me a little.

i would really like to review some of the pluses and minuses of universal type health care.

so here are some for consideration.

JWoods

Is the original poster asking benefits/drawbacks of what - a single payer government controlled system? OR -

A partial (at least for now) "public option"?

The so-called non-profit coop option?

Or - as the Obama WH has recently been calling the whole thing - "Health Care INSURANCE Reform"? (note - used to be just Health Care Reform) -

All of this seems hardly worth arguing about any more what with the goalposts being moved on every play.

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Jacksons birthday burial may make things harder on his children

by Dogpatch in

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jacksons birthday burial a family issue.

michael jacksons aug. 29 burial points to a power shift within the jackson family that could ultimately affect jacksons three children.. up until recently, michaels mother katherine was making the major family decisions, but the decision to schedule the burial for jacksons birthday was largely joe jacksons.. katherine didnt want it (the burial) on his birthday, neither did rebbie (jacksons oldest sister), said a close family friend.

both katherine and rebbie jackson are jehovah's witnesses, and do not celebrate birthdays, but the religious reason isn't their only objection.. (katherine and rebbie jackson feared) it would turn the burial into a spectacle that will be hard for the kids to not be swept up in," the friend said.

JWoods

This had totally missed my attention even though I heard it was "on his would-be 51st birthday"...of course this is the double whammy: not one but TWO non-witness funerals (three if you count the private "memorial" - bad choice of words in itself for a JW service) - and timed to occur on a pagan birthday!!!

How can it get worse? Maybe Madonna could dance the seven veils and demand for the head of Bubbles the Chimp on a platter?

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Penetrating the Deepest Level- "Jehovah" is God

by OnTheWayOut in

having been there, most of us can see that the idea that "jehovah" is god, and a group that uses the name and even carries the name as a badge of honor (jehovah's witnesses) have a very deep level of belief in the religion and that virtually anything that tries to upset the belief causes great cognitive dissonance.

to even suggest that witnesses of [the named god] are wrong is just so heavy on their dissonance.

to suggest that a group of people that carries the name of their god are misleading is like suggesting that everything they know is wrong, gravity doesn't exist, up is down, the sun exploded.

JWoods

One thing about the name (witnesses) that always bothered me, - even as a 12 year old kid when my parents joined - was this:

What on earth does God need "witnesses" for, anyway? He is GOD, for crying out loud. It is not like God is in some kind of celestial traffic court and needs another driver (a mere human at that) to verify he did not run some red light or such.

Of course - now I understand that this is a kind of WTS perversion of the old, old legalistic jingoism of the unforgiving old Testament. But in reality, this name and the surrounding Jehovah-cult really makes for a deep divide between the JWs and anything that could remotely be called conventional christianity - as it relegates Jesus to being just sort of a super-angel waiting in the wings for big daddy to kick some earthly butts.

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where do the refinements come from?, and why do you answer thus?

by Spike Tassel in

bluecanary asks [with emphasis mine]:.

in the past when god's chosen leader acted without his blessing, god corrected the individual/group in an obvious and miraculous way.

why does it appear, then, that when the gb is "adjusted" it comes from external sources, such as the 1914 generation dying off, or races integrating nationwide.

JWoods

Just gotta know what the definition of "is" is, eh? The deal with the society is that they just love to change the rules while the game is being played. Yes, and sometimes changing the way a word is defined or used. Constantly - and if you do not immediately adapt, you are living in the "old light".

It is a simple fact of witness life that you can be unceremoniosly disfellowshipped for publicly promoting ideas from their own recent past that they have arbitrarily changed.

And this is the essence of a dangerous control cult.

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where do the refinements come from?, and why do you answer thus?

by Spike Tassel in

bluecanary asks [with emphasis mine]:.

in the past when god's chosen leader acted without his blessing, god corrected the individual/group in an obvious and miraculous way.

why does it appear, then, that when the gb is "adjusted" it comes from external sources, such as the 1914 generation dying off, or races integrating nationwide.

JWoods

If we want mercy, we must be merciful. If we want love, we must love. Refinement works. That way. It's about US refining, as individuals. I think that definitely has happened, as long as we continue to subject ourself to the refining process.

Since when did the Watchtower Society or the local Witnesses ever show mercy to someone who disagreed with them? You are saying that we should show our mercy by going along with the Society for false prophecy and false teachings (as they cover their butts by flip-flopping the lies) - - but always at the threat of being cast out if we do not agree. Going along this way is not mercy - it is extortion by the threat of loss of family, friends, and the proposed hope for life. Again I ask - since when has the Society ever shown mercy or forgiveness to any dissenter - no matter how sincere that person may be?

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where do the refinements come from?, and why do you answer thus?

by Spike Tassel in

bluecanary asks [with emphasis mine]:.

in the past when god's chosen leader acted without his blessing, god corrected the individual/group in an obvious and miraculous way.

why does it appear, then, that when the gb is "adjusted" it comes from external sources, such as the 1914 generation dying off, or races integrating nationwide.

JWoods

Yeah and I see the government of Scotland is going to turn loose the weenie coward bomber of the Pan Am Lockerbie Scotland jet. Because he has terminal cancer and <"needs to go home to Libya to see his family">. I say let is sorry ass rot to termination in the worst jail they can find.

This guy showed the "refinement" and "mercy" of not having the guts to carry the bomb on board himself - he put it into a boom box and gave it to his girlfriend (who apparantly did not even know what was going to happen).

The WTBTS caused the deaths and/or ruined lives of many people from blood transfusions, stubborn anti-draft rules, and childish political rules (Malawi party cards, open agitation in Nazi Germany, etc.) - later to change every one of these rules and claim that their followers did all this stuff of their own volition.

Those followers had exactly the same chance as the jet bomber's girlfriend - they had no idea the Society was jacking around with their lives.

I have no more sympathy for this cold-hearted religion than I do for the above-mentioned cowardly terrorist.

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NWT - Accurately translated bible rumor

by Girlie in

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has anyone on here heard of this rumor or even know if this is true?

supposedly, on an episode of jeopardy, one of the questions asked was which version of the bible was considered the most accurately translated from the original hebrew and greek text and the answer was the new world translation.

i tried looking this up online to no avail.

JWoods

I am sure the society was well aware of it at some level. They could not make use of it because it would jeopardize Jeopardy!

You mean "look beyond the obvious" like the above?

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230 MPG? Really?

by AK - Jeff in

http://abcnews.go.com/business/justonething/story?id=8309867&page=1.

JWoods

BTW - this thread is worthless without pictures. How does one go about posting a JPG?