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  News on Crisis of Conscience !

  by Amazing in

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  since 1983, the book, crisis of conscience, by raymond franz has taken on a life of its own ... translated now into many languages.

  while at brci, i saw crisis of conscience in spanish, portuguese, italian and others languages, even japanese ... japan has long been the love child nation that the watchtower uses to beat the western jws over the head ... more than this, though ... .

  crisis of conscience is now in its fourth edition, being revised in april 2002 !!!

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  It only takes that first step to stay home from a meeting to start getting ahead of the organization

  Ahh, the first step in letting the "light" shine in
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  Harvey - JW Wins SCOSC Blood Transfusion Decision

  by AngryXJW in

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  Hmm, I wonder if Harvey is DF'd? If he's not, wouldn't that mean that he didn't suffer any emotional stress, and that Jehovah has forgiven him for getting blood, and therefor the matter with Harvey's doctor should rest in the hands of Jehovah's judgement towards the Doc at Armageddon? After all, Harvey is still acceptable in the eyes of Jehovhah (If he isn't DF'd) so therefor, how could he have any lasting emotional effects?
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  Agreement with American B.S

  by lucidentity in

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  i for one actually agree with the comments made by invisible, americans on the whole are a nation that dominates the world through bullying.. america is the big kid in the playground nicking everyones lunch money.. i live in the us but will move away soon.

  what happened on 9/11 was unbelievably , god awful and so sickening that i cant watch those planes hit the twin towers without feeling nauseated.. this may hurt but.........america brought his on themselves.

  the world has had enough of their politics their machoism and their greed.

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  AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!! Isn't that sweet, the nice little Mr. Bush asking all of America's children to give a dollar......what B.S.

  CONSCIENCE MONEY!!!!!!

  God Bless America !............and stuff every other nation!

  You know, that is the beauty of America.. You can rant and rave, really 'hate' the government, protest against it, even burn it's flag, and you know what, that is the reason I love this country so much.. It is not a dictatorship, it doesn't have anything that is 'off-limits' when being able to critisize it, and as long as you are orderly and respect others, it's ok.

  Too bad an organization that we all know about didn't feel that they weren't above reproach, and allow people FREE WILL to talk, converse, heck even ridicule some of it's decisions, maybe then the movement could actually move forward and 'help it's flock', unlike what it is now, a dictatorship where the men speak as if God himself has spoken, causing countless loss of life, disturbance and hardships on it's members, and no-one is allowed to voice any opposition to it's man-made laws, you just accept them or face certain death at the soon to happen Armageddon..

  Yep, the love the GB has for it's flock, and the way it protects it's flock with such underserved kindness is underwhelming...
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  Cognitive Dissonance 101, Bethel Style

  by Room 215 in

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  do you remember these two gems of spiritual insight?

  ``at times explanations given by jehovah's visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view.

  but this has not actually been the case.

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  Gumby wrote:

  I'll never know the answer to that question.

  The answer is, Cognative dissonance !
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  Cognitive Dissonance 101, Bethel Style

  by Room 215 in

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  do you remember these two gems of spiritual insight?

  ``at times explanations given by jehovah's visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view.

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  Sorry, it's not 30 words or less, but here is a very good explanation of Cognative Dissonance

  Sorry about the religious overtones of the article, that wasn't my point here.. The first few paragraphs explain cognative dissonance very well!!!!!

  In short, Cognative dissonance is the 'self defense' mechanism of the human brain, when presented with facts that completely contradict something that you believe to be true, and which are of such importance to your being that proving these facts false will have huge reprecussions (emotionally, physically, mentally) if indeed you were to accept the new 'truth'.. It can cause someone to not listen to what is being said; you see examples of this all the time in JW's. They cannot accept the conflicting evidence, as to do so would cause great discomfort to even entertain the notion, so instead, their 'self defense' mechanism kicks in, and they do not even 'hear' to what is being said..

  How many times have you been talking to a JW, and you see a sudden 'blank stare' from their faces.. They are in 'self protect' mode, because what you are stating to them is causing dissonance between what they know to be true and what you are presenting to them as evidence that they cannot accept and still believe what they believe (They cannot reconsile the evidence within their own 'truth') ... Instead of facing the 'truth', they 'protect' themselves.. It's less painful that way!!!

  Example:

  Talk to a JW, who 'knows' that the GB speaks as if it were god, heck, to her, the GB is god.

  Then show her the scriptures about False prophets, show where the GB spoke for god, and bingo, all of a sudden the GB are fallable men who make mistakes..

  But then you tell her that God cannot make mistakes, so why is god using fallable men to tell the world of his truth?

  Keep this line of reasoning up with her for any amount of time, and soon she will be faced with 2 options:

  A.) Accept that something isn't correct, and the GB cannot be god (A very painful and frieghtening prospect for someone who believes the GB speak for(are) god). Your entire life changes that very moment (As I'm sure many ex-witnesses here can attest to this very fact)

  B.) Employ cognative dissonance, which spares you from having to 'face' the fact that you do not want to deal with. So, instead, as a self-preservation mechanism, you basically don't listen to what is being presented any longer.. You have spared yourself the 'pain' that goes with accepting the 'truth'.

  It's easy to tell when someone hasn't employed cognative dissonance yet, because they usually exhibit uneasiness, sometimes even get physicially sick when they are trying to actually 'solve' the problem, but at some point they do shut down because they cannot solve the 'problem' within their own perception of truth. At that point, they are employing cognative dissonance, they have stopped accepting any more evidence, and in fact, most likely, aren't even hearing what you are presenting to them any longer, as their brain is 'protecting' them from further pain and anguish.

  Edited by - itsjustlittleoldme on 2 July 2002 9:34:2

  Edited by - itsjustlittleoldme on 2 July 2002 10:6:44
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  News in KM , dfd,

  by happy man in

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  we have a bigg artikel in km abot our wuie on how to treat them in diffrent situations, not so much new things, but they confirm this harder treatment on dfd, as we have 1981.. not so happy for this, i think it is a bigg misstake to dont take this occasion to change to some more loving wuie.i can not follow why they do like this perhaps they are draw this to the end of the lione, but who are take the punnish for this, if not the averge jw, who i think dont like this so very much.. so i can not follow who they think, perhaps we have wolfs among us, who hurt ther members.. .

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  Let [the expelled ones] be to you as a man of the nations and as a tax collector."

  Yeah, associate covertly, like we did with the nations, United Nations that is!
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  WHY JWS ARE BOOK SALESMEN

  by blondie in

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  proclaimers book page 67

  interestingly, to help pay his way through school, rutherford sold encyclopedias from house to house.

  it was not an easy jobthere were many rebuffs.

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  I'll bet the one that started AmWay started out in a similiar way..

  Maybe they met out one day in "field service" selling encyclopedias and made a bet, "I'll bet I can make a bigger business from door-to-door than you can"

  So, maybe the religion was all based on a bet.. Sorry, guys, looks like you lost the bet!

  Edited by - itsjustlittleoldme on 2 July 2002 8:2:55
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  This is why I don't like transfusions.......

  by VioletAnai in

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  there's just too much risk...especially if your life is in the hands of these officials:.

  http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/story_34571.asp.

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  To answer your question LittleOlMe.....

  If the GB were ever to change this policy, it wouldn't affect me in any way. I have had numerous discussions with my family, mostly to do with organ transplants. While they aren't condemned by the GB, I wouldn't personally want someone elses organ inside me, family or not. It is the same with blood. I don't want someone else's blood intermingling with me....my blood and tissue is very personal to me, I wouldn't want it contimated with someone else.

  I, too, once had to make a choice on taking blood, when I was a teen, but I chose not too, becos it made me physically sick to the stomach to think about such a thing. There are amazing things they can do with volumes in the body where no blood is needed, just as long as there is enough volume in the body, to carry more red cells to where they need to go. So we now have this risk free procedure vs unreliably-screened blood. Why take an unnecessary risk like that? Especially when the medical profession says we don't have to anymore.

  So, my decision is definitely NOT motivated by a few silly old gits who are out of touch with the real world. How can I put faith in those silly old gits when they've destroyed mine and countless other lives with their two-witness policy.

  I, in that case, applaud your decision, and more importantly, the decision is based on your own conscience, not that of the GB's doctrine which we all know can (and probably will) change in the future..

  Congratulations, you have made a decision for yourself that is a truth to you, and no-one, not even the GB can take that away from you. It's a very liberating feeling making a decision for oneself that you know is totally your own decision, and no-one can change that decision!

  I am also very sorry to hear that you consider your life to be 'destroyed'. I will say a prayer that you can overcome your anger/hurt and get on with the business of living once again. Do you care to talk about it?

  Edited by - itsjustlittleoldme on 1 July 2002 23:16:25

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  This is why I don't like transfusions.......

  by VioletAnai in

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  there's just too much risk...especially if your life is in the hands of these officials:.

  http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/story_34571.asp.

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  Hi Violet,

  Ok, so if you were to have a life-saving operation including blood and it just so happened that the blood was supposed to be destroyed becos of the infection of Hep C and this blood was administered to you in the op, yer not gunna be pissed?

  Apart from having a difficult recovery, you'd be infected with a potentially fatal disease. Now tell me you wouldn't sue the frigging hospital for giving you this 'life-saving' technique? And then bitch about it the rest of your life. Yeah.....sure....you wouldn't!

  I don't think anyone here is arguing your right to choose NOT to have a blood transfusion because of the possibility of infection. That is your god-given right to refuse something if you don't want it.. Me, personally I don't like and don't wear seat belts, although I know statistically I'm going to be safer in an accident if I wear one that I would be without one. But the belt makes me feel 'trapped', so I choose NOT to wear one.

  I made up my own mind NOT to wear a seat belt, and I do not impose my view on anyone else. If they are in a car with me, it is their choice to wear or not wear their seat belt. (I, do, however, insist that children are placed in child seats for their safety).

  So, I applaud your decision NOT to take blood because of the small chance that you can become infected with some diesese, as I have no intention of wearing seat belts... (And no-one has made that choice for me, it was my choice, of my own free will to do so)

  I do have one question, however, and this will tell me what your underlying motive is for refusing a blood transfusion, so answer honestly please:

  If the Governing Body changed their interpretation of the scriptures to read that blood transfusions were now acceptable in the eye of god, and that you were allowed to have a blood transusion, no disiplinary action would be taken against anyone who accepted a blood transfusion, and no-one would shun or mark you for doing so in good conscience, would you still refuse a blood transfusion on the grounds that you can catch a diesese from a blood transfusion?

  Let's take this one step further, let's say the GB announce that not only are blood transfusions ok, but as a matter of a good christian, you MUST do everything possible to save a christian life, and so in the same vein of not being allowed to smoke because it hurts/kills, refusing a blood transfusion when that is the only alternative available to possibly save life would be deemed an act of suicide, and not living in harmony with the scriptures you would be DF'd (and probably dead -- but of course you will die DF'd). If the GB came out with something like that new light, would you then DA yourself because you feel so strongly about your conviction towards refusing blood that even under those circumstances you would still refuse a blood transfusion?

  What I'm getting at is what is motivating you to refuse a blood transfusion? If it is truly your own free will, as is my case with the seat belts, then I applaud you, however, if it is because you are trying to rationalize a decision by the GB, then I think you need to at least come out and say the reason you refuse a blood transfusion is because the WTBTS says not to have one for biblical reasons. If you are attempting to cover over a biblical decision with a rational arguement, that is IMHO an insult to the bible principles that you claim to adhere to.. You should be preaching the virtue's of the biblical light that you have received from the F&DS, not trying to rationalize it, or make an excuse for it.
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  Cognitive Dissonance 101, Bethel Style

  by Room 215 in

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  do you remember these two gems of spiritual insight?

  ``at times explanations given by jehovah's visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view.

  but this has not actually been the case.

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  Old Light:

  Zig-Zag

  New Light:

  No Zig-Zag

  It's about time for the new light to revert to the old light again, if we know anything about the WT light

  Simon says, "Stop the blinking light before I get stomach sick"