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  "Higher Education" Follow Up

  by XBEHERE in

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  this is a follow up to my previous thread.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/268693/1/they-are-definitely-attacking-higher-education.

  so we had our co visit and we were quizzed about the "problem" of higher education as well.

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  no mention during our last visit either,

  we have some going to University in our hall, nobody really cares much about it though, as long as they report their time regularly...
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  An important question for active JW's

  by Honesty in

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  if you and a fellow jehovah's witness went to a house where the homeowner brought up a watchtower doctrine which you secretly disagree with, would you defend it or tell them what it is you really believe?.

  either way you are at a loss.. defending something you disagree with is living a lie and telling a lie.

  not defending it and telling the home owner what you really believe makes you an apostate by watchtower society standards.

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  heavensgate1, welcome from me too..

  I used to think this way also, but please consider:

  US citzens, British people and even Catholic church (at least most of them all) recognize the wrong course their forefathers/predecessors took, they usually admit their error, and do not claim, they were the only poeple on earth guided by Gods spirit, when this crimes happened (this not sure regarding Catholics though...).

  The point is, that they claim of the WTS for unquestioning obedience has to be put under the closest scrutiny. Since the GB already existed in Rutherfords time (according to their own doctrine), their reputation is in strong connection with what he did or not did.
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  discussion with a friend

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, i met an old friend for a coffee, he is a jw in good standing.. he does not know of my "awakening", but he knows, that i m pretty open with things.. so he came up with some thoughts, that, if somebody listened, would be enough for a jc on basis of apostasy.. since his english is not so good, i suppose he did not read this on the internet.. i just paraphrase some of his thoughts:.

  the creation account in genesis is not accurate and in line with science.

  a global flood was not possible.

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  "I think it's interesting that he verbalized all those thoughts and has NOT awakened!"

  yes, but I remember years ago talking with him quite open, particularly about the demand of unquestionable obedience, which disturbed us both. And at this time, even I was not awaken.

  I also had doubts and questions before, but only through the internet, I realized, my doubts and questions are perfectly justified, since soo many others have them too.

  I know his family well, very nice people, but the world would collaps, if he would leave, and I´m not sure, whether this would be something he or his family could really bear.
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  discussion with a friend

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently, i met an old friend for a coffee, he is a jw in good standing.. he does not know of my "awakening", but he knows, that i m pretty open with things.. so he came up with some thoughts, that, if somebody listened, would be enough for a jc on basis of apostasy.. since his english is not so good, i suppose he did not read this on the internet.. i just paraphrase some of his thoughts:.

  the creation account in genesis is not accurate and in line with science.

  a global flood was not possible.

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  inbetween

  recently, I met an old friend for a coffee, he is a JW in good standing.

  He does not know of my "awakening", but he knows, that I´m pretty open with things.

  So he came up with some thoughts, that, if somebody listened, would be enough for a JC on basis of apostasy.

  Since his English is not so good, I suppose he did not read this on the internet.

  I just paraphrase some of his thoughts:

  The creation account in Genesis is not accurate and in line with science

  A global flood was not possible

  The God of the old Testament accepts colateral damage, he did not care about the individual (example: punishment of People after Davids census)

  the Disfellowshipping policy is a form of extortion and has no basis in the bible

  JW need a major reform

  If you have sex with your future wife, and end up marrying her, don`t tell the elders

  We (jw) sometimes behave like a sect

  he also told me, that a friend , another JW in good standing, expressed some similar ideas.

  Of course, he still believes, we are Gods org, but he admits, thinking about these topics weakens his faith.

  I got the feeling, he stays also only because of family in, and he said, he cannot even mention something like this to them, they would overreact. One time he shared some of his thoughts with his wife, she almost had a breakdown. He will keep quite in future.

  Anyway, I think, there are many like him in the org, and the org knows it too, thats why there are increasingly articles about obedience and blind loyalty.
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  Any explanation from the WT as to why Adam and Eve did not have sex before they sinned? (and other Genesis stumpers)

  by BU2B in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  (disclaimer- i know this is all fairy tales but i like to pick genesis apart since many millions still take it literally and is the foundtion of jw doctrine.

  without genesis being real, the whole thing collpses).

  i was just reading through genesis yesterday, and it really hit me.

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  this all may prompt a new WT-article:

  "What we can learn from - Adam"

  subtitle : Do not procrastinate following Gods commands

  After God created a wife for Adam, what was his first command ? Genesis 1:28 "be fruitful and become many "

  Now did Adam right away follow this pointed direction from the former GB (at this time called Jehovah or Yahwe) ?

  Evidently he already developed a wicked heart of disobedience, since he did not appreciate the kind provision to produce offspring, he rather looked after his garden. Maybe he was thinking about building a big house in this system of things, making a career as gardener or even pursuing higher education by studying too much the animals around him. Even worse, in order to avoid producing offspring he must have evidently masterbated.

  If he would have followed the example of his offspring Noah, who "did just so", he would have right away intercourse and made proper use of his given sexual organs. Then all the mess we have now would not have happened, and we as GB would not have to teach you dumbasses always the same things....

  Now, at least, learn from his bad example, and listen to us, obey and be blessed.

  Maybe, you will be able to wipe our ass in the coming paradise....
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  If you substitute 'Governing Body' and 'faithful and discreet slave' to

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  a single member of the governing body, for example david splane, i find it helps me to understand things a little better.. they have changed the meaning of 'faithful and discreet slave' to basically just 'the governing body'.. but that still allows them to print nice friendly 'we' and 'they' when giving directions (orders).. "we need to obey david splane to have jehovahs approval.

  "[a mature christian] does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to bible understanding.

  rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by jehovah god through his son, jesus christ, and david splane.

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  try it with Anthony Morris III, it gets even creepier...
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  What has happened to AJWRB?

  by Haelcer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  does anyone know what going on with ajwrb's website?.

  "this domain maybe for sale!

  buy it now!

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  this site helped me to wake up, I would have never looked at any "apostate" site, even such great ones like jwfacts, but for some reason I stumbled on AJWRB, thinking initially it is from the LiasonC, but even as I realised, it is not official, the well written arguments caught my attention and convinced me how false the whole blood doctrine really is.

  After that I slowly allowed other ideas to come in and started to question and explore the freedom of the mind...
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-02-2014 WT Study (GREAT SHEPHERDS)

  by blondie in

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  http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com.

  http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com.

  http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/.

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  actually in theory, the article was not so bad, but just in theory....

  elders should adhere to the scriptures, well does it count for the elders who compromise the GB too ?

  and where are the scriptures for beard, higher education, blood fractions, monthly report, etc ?
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  What happened to Lars58 and many other Bible Scholars?

  by RottenRiley in

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  i miss seeing lars postings and his bible interpretations, did he get re-instated?.

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  really miss Leolaia too, learned so much from her posts...
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  British museum bible tours

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  visiting london years ago i had the chance to participate on a bible tour arranged from bethel.

  what i remember, it was one out of 12 topics, and a brother or sister served as a guide, showing particular objects related to bible accounts.. at that time, i was quite enthusiastic about it, thinking i learned something valuable.. .

  now, being awake to ttatt, i wonder what real scientific value those tours served.. or rather it raises the suspicion, that those tours are for visiting witnesses in order to distract them from many other finds in the museum, that would disprove either the bible or their own theology.. anybody ever made such a tour ?.

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  yes, I did the assyrian tour also, remembering how cruel they treated their prisoners.

  Anyway, youre absolutely right about cherrypicking, not just the bible, also news, scientific recoveries, life expereinces etc..

  its called confirmation bias.