Posts by inbetween

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Watchtower Jul 22 - Jesus directed the GB on how to deal with Covid

by Listener in

14 jesus provides wise direction in times of crisis.

the benefits of that direction were evident when the covid-19 pandemic broke out.

while many in the world were uncertain about what course to take, jesus made sure that we received clear guidance to keep us safe.

inbetween

agree, the org always tries to take credit for anything positive.

small remark: UN is the wild beast, not the whore, which is babylon the Great

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Response to "The Flood is Real, Because ..."

by Simon in

i remember one of the flowchart responses to people questioning the biblical flood was something along the lines that "every culture has a flood story".. of course, nearly everywhere has flooded at one time or another and we know there are minor floods and then there are the 1-in-1000 year kind of weather event, that tend to get a mention (anyone from the uk will still talk about the summer of '76, and that's probably nothing in comparison to a decent flood).. but the inference is that the flood must be real, because every culture has a flood story.. the best response is "now do dragons".. because apparently, nearly every culture also has a dragon legend.. does it mean dragons exist?

some desperate jw may show their ignorance by suggesting that man lived at the same time as dinosaurs and they are what the stories were based on.

fun fact: stegosaurus was a fossil when t-rex was alive for longer than it's been since t-rex has been a fossil to us - we're talking old, and no overlap (ignore the map in the cover of the old green bible).. do jws still even bother trying to defend the cray-cray aesop-fable kind of ot beliefs?.

inbetween

good point with the dragons, ...

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Severance TV Show

by Simon in

we watched the season 1 finale of this apple tv series last night.

what an amazingly well-done show!.

it's a surreal world, but based in our own, and you don't have a clue where the plot is really headed but the drama builds all the way through.. there were some major reveals about the characters and it ended on a peach of a cliffhanger, so if there isn't a series 2 already in production i'll be storming apple hq to ask why.. some of it may give you wts vibes, the cult-like world they live in and the "forced" celebrations for various things, but while some of it is a little "sci-fi" it's kind of believable.. in case you don't know the main premise is that it follows people around their work at a company with a very sterile-like environment.

inbetween

excellent show, waiting for season finale this friday...when we started watching, I couldn`t wrap my mind around it, so weird and so good...

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the cheap trick for believers...

by inbetween in

yesterdays wt study (wt january 2022) stressed the issue, to set aside time to deepen the relationship to god.. in order to strengthen one`s faith, it was encouraged to ask god anytime for basically anything.

and each time god answers your prayers the faith grows.. now, each one of us has wishes, desires, hopes.

some naturally will fail, some will come true.

inbetween

Yesterdays WT study (WT January 2022) stressed the issue, to set aside time to deepen the relationship to God.

In order to strengthen one`s faith, it was encouraged to ask God anytime for basically anything. And each time God answers your prayers the faith grows.

Now, each one of us has wishes, desires, hopes. Some naturally will fail, some will come true. If I just present these to anyone, lets say the Jewish god, or Thor or Zeus, I could convince myself of their existence and support.

On a side note, Jw always claim, that there are no modern miracles. So how would you define divine intervention in ones personal life?

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Was 536 the Worst year in history

by pistolpete in

jws believe that today, the time we live in is the worst time ever in history.

i know cause i just had a jw tell me yesterday this was the case.

he pointed to covid, the russian-ukraine war, the high gas prices and the food shortage happening.

inbetween

If you are living right now in Ukraine, maybe yes, its probably the worst year at least in your lifetime. Globally speaking though, there were still plenty of worst years in history.

Seen the video a while ago, found it very interesting too.

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JW, soul and free will

by inbetween in

good morning,.

when it comes to the question of free will, any jw will ascertain the existence of free will as needed for any moral issue regarding god, the bible etc.

without free will the whole foundation of what their belief is based on will collapse.. now atheists, at least thats my understanding, deny also the existence of free will.

inbetween

Good morning,

when it comes to the question of free will, any JW will ascertain the existence of free will as needed for any moral issue regarding God, the bible etc. Without free will the whole foundation of what their belief is based on will collapse.

Now atheists, at least thats my understanding, deny also the existence of free will. If everything is just governed by natural laws, then it will follow its course, there is no superiorty of human conscience, as it followed just the evolving species, and may only be an illusion, and one knowing a current state is able to predict the future (Demon of Laplace).

One example of a scientists viewpoint:

You don't have free will, but don't worry. - YouTube

Now JW agree with atheist in one matter, that there is no soul surviving human death, humans are only made of "dust". So if humans are only made of atoms and moleculs, which are subject to laws of Physics, were is the free will located then?

A dilemma even for some PIMI witnesses I talked to (at least the thinkers among them).

Also quantum physics do not provide a way out, since unpredictability does not equate free will.

What are your ideas?

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2022-02-17-Watchtower Defense Manuals-Loss of State Support--Norway!

by Atlantis in

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friends

2022-02-17-- watchtower defense manuals on the loss of state support in norway.. .

the english manual is 32 pages long and the norwegian manual is 40 pages long.

both manuals are in this file folder.. .

inbetween

57. The congregation has no control over how the individual in the congregation applies biblical principles to stop associating with him. It is up to each individual in the congregation to use their personal religious conscience to determine whether or not they want to limit contact with a person who has withdrawn, just as they would relate to a person who is disfellowshipped. The religious community does not control, nor can it control, whether those who belong to congregations answer calls from someone who has withdrawn, drink coffee with them, eat a meal with them, or greet them on the street. Each individual in the congregation who limits or ceases to socialize a person who has withdrawn, does so voluntarily and of his own volition, based on their own religious conscience.

This is an outright lie, hope they don`t get away with it. Somebody send them a copy of the Shepherding book, where it clearly states, that if you have association with someone dfd, who is not your relative, you get a JC and possible dfd yourself.

It really puzzles me how someone being a JW (assuming this was written at least with agreement of a JW) outspokenly tells untruth like that. Its not like, well ambigous, or matter of interpretation, this is clearly false. What kind of conscience do those people have ?

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Any in-house word on Ukrainian Witnesses form HQ?

by careful in

has anyone heard any word on active witnesses inside the ukraine and what has been happening with them the last week or so?

i checked the official org website but there was just the expected "fulfilling bible prophecy" stuff.

perhaps someone here has bethel contacts who have leaked some info on what the gb is trying to do for these victims of putin's madness?.

inbetween

For JW (not only them) its very simple: Anything positive = Gods blessing, anything negative = Satans attack..

anyway, JW or not, I feel for the innocent people in Ukraine...and hope death and suffering will end soon for them,, but I fear different...

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Watchtower online religion.

by asp59 in

should we refer watchtower as to a online religion now?

i mean we could discuss if they ever return to kingdom hall's in the future.

if most of them haven't been sold.

inbetween

If they ever really considered it, the pandemic would be a welcome boost for it.

However, even most JW I talked to, wish to stay at least partly on zoom, some really miss the personal contact (mostly either the weird ones or the single ones) .

However, the WT cares nothing what JW rank and file really want.

I believe its their absolute love for control that will prevent the WT from going totally online.

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Where do we go from here, the Lloyd-gate?

by raymond frantz in

the problem is where do we go from here?

lloyd is not going to go away , he has too much to loose(money) neither will his followers go as we have seen the last few days there was hardly a drop to his membership .so what's next?

we will be branded in the same colours and because of him we won't be taken seriously anymore.

inbetween

Where are the serious, thoughtful videos? I can't find any.

There are some, but most are really issues blown out of proportion. While I enjoyed some of LLoyds videos for entertainment purposes, often they were storms in a water glass. AM III buying liquor at the store? So what, looks pathetic, but I guess so I would look in such a store as well (disclaimer: I don`t care for AM III, he is an arrogant cult leader).

Lloyd did have some semi interesting interviews, thats about it.

One of the best source of information regarding JW doctrine is not any video, but can be found on jwfacts.com. There is almost all you need to know.

Rest is mostly just ranting about something...