Posts by inbetween

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How far do we get away from 1914

by PimoElder in

how far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.

they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .

with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.

inbetween

"No problem. The date for the beginning of the Great War is problematic for certainly, the assassination took place long before other nations gradually became embroiled in the conflict so the timing of the month of October well coincides with the end of the Gentile Times, the birth of the messianic Kingdom with the ousting of Satan to the earth.

scholar JW"

No

You are moving the goal posts. It is true, that the war declaration followed gradually after 28.7.14, however, accoring to JW theology, it was Satan inciting them to do so, after his expelling from heaven. If he was expelled October 1914, what was his job when the whole world was already in conflict? The typical trench warfare began already in September 1914...the chain reaction of Alliances, formed decades earlier, started to cascade already.

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What is the harm or downside of being PIMO?

by PimoElder in

what is the harm or downside of being pimo?.

i get all the good things about being in the cong, good social life lots of invites to bbqs and meals out.

lots of interesting gossip 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

inbetween

One can endure many things, depending on the reason for doing so.

I know, if I come out as non-beleiver, it would severe the ties to my family, and might even literally (really) kill my older parents.

I imagine the situation like being held hostage, I may be able to eascape, but I would have to leave beind loved ones, who are simply not able to run that fast anymore (figuratively speaking)

Suffering is awful, but for a good cause, and knowing its only temporary, one may be able to find some comfort in it.

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Caleb & Sophia - The Watchtower gets weirder

by Listener in

the latest video release 4/4/22 (lesson 44 'don't give up') in the comic series of caleb & sophia just got weirder.

the plot is about caleb & sophia preaching door to door, caleb with his father and sophia with her mother.

it shows each of them having doors slammed on them four times.

inbetween

so true, worst nightmare, always tried to avoid territiories where I knew schoolmates were living. Luckily I never ran into one.

Later at work, same fear regarding work colleagues...

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What are Jehovah's Witnesses' stance on home ownership?

by timothytha in

what do people usually think of when they buy a house?

"i will probably live here for a long time" (you're invested with your time), "i will save money by building equity over time".

(you've invested in yourself financially for the long run) of course, i wouldn't be able to list the numerous reasons why people want to buy a house.

inbetween

Where I grew up, and in the eighties, building or buying a house was considered as sign of spiritual weakness. Our tyrannical PO at that time, often judged others who did so, as being close to falling away from the truth.

Until some years later, his own daughter started building a new house with her husband. Narrative changed, suddenly, this was necessary, because "they could not find an adequate rental place"....hypocrite...

I have the feeling, its not so much looked down upon anymore as it was back then...

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Watchtower Jul 22 - Jesus directed the GB on how to deal with Covid

by Listener in

14 jesus provides wise direction in times of crisis.

the benefits of that direction were evident when the covid-19 pandemic broke out.

while many in the world were uncertain about what course to take, jesus made sure that we received clear guidance to keep us safe.

inbetween

agree, the org always tries to take credit for anything positive.

small remark: UN is the wild beast, not the whore, which is babylon the Great

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Response to "The Flood is Real, Because ..."

by Simon in

i remember one of the flowchart responses to people questioning the biblical flood was something along the lines that "every culture has a flood story".. of course, nearly everywhere has flooded at one time or another and we know there are minor floods and then there are the 1-in-1000 year kind of weather event, that tend to get a mention (anyone from the uk will still talk about the summer of '76, and that's probably nothing in comparison to a decent flood).. but the inference is that the flood must be real, because every culture has a flood story.. the best response is "now do dragons".. because apparently, nearly every culture also has a dragon legend.. does it mean dragons exist?

some desperate jw may show their ignorance by suggesting that man lived at the same time as dinosaurs and they are what the stories were based on.

fun fact: stegosaurus was a fossil when t-rex was alive for longer than it's been since t-rex has been a fossil to us - we're talking old, and no overlap (ignore the map in the cover of the old green bible).. do jws still even bother trying to defend the cray-cray aesop-fable kind of ot beliefs?.

inbetween

good point with the dragons, ...

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Severance TV Show

by Simon in

we watched the season 1 finale of this apple tv series last night.

what an amazingly well-done show!.

it's a surreal world, but based in our own, and you don't have a clue where the plot is really headed but the drama builds all the way through.. there were some major reveals about the characters and it ended on a peach of a cliffhanger, so if there isn't a series 2 already in production i'll be storming apple hq to ask why.. some of it may give you wts vibes, the cult-like world they live in and the "forced" celebrations for various things, but while some of it is a little "sci-fi" it's kind of believable.. in case you don't know the main premise is that it follows people around their work at a company with a very sterile-like environment.

inbetween

excellent show, waiting for season finale this friday...when we started watching, I couldn`t wrap my mind around it, so weird and so good...

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the cheap trick for believers...

by inbetween in

yesterdays wt study (wt january 2022) stressed the issue, to set aside time to deepen the relationship to god.. in order to strengthen one`s faith, it was encouraged to ask god anytime for basically anything.

and each time god answers your prayers the faith grows.. now, each one of us has wishes, desires, hopes.

some naturally will fail, some will come true.

inbetween

Yesterdays WT study (WT January 2022) stressed the issue, to set aside time to deepen the relationship to God.

In order to strengthen one`s faith, it was encouraged to ask God anytime for basically anything. And each time God answers your prayers the faith grows.

Now, each one of us has wishes, desires, hopes. Some naturally will fail, some will come true. If I just present these to anyone, lets say the Jewish god, or Thor or Zeus, I could convince myself of their existence and support.

On a side note, Jw always claim, that there are no modern miracles. So how would you define divine intervention in ones personal life?

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Was 536 the Worst year in history

by pistolpete in

jws believe that today, the time we live in is the worst time ever in history.

i know cause i just had a jw tell me yesterday this was the case.

he pointed to covid, the russian-ukraine war, the high gas prices and the food shortage happening.

inbetween

If you are living right now in Ukraine, maybe yes, its probably the worst year at least in your lifetime. Globally speaking though, there were still plenty of worst years in history.

Seen the video a while ago, found it very interesting too.

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JW, soul and free will

by inbetween in

good morning,.

when it comes to the question of free will, any jw will ascertain the existence of free will as needed for any moral issue regarding god, the bible etc.

without free will the whole foundation of what their belief is based on will collapse.. now atheists, at least thats my understanding, deny also the existence of free will.

inbetween

Good morning,

when it comes to the question of free will, any JW will ascertain the existence of free will as needed for any moral issue regarding God, the bible etc. Without free will the whole foundation of what their belief is based on will collapse.

Now atheists, at least thats my understanding, deny also the existence of free will. If everything is just governed by natural laws, then it will follow its course, there is no superiorty of human conscience, as it followed just the evolving species, and may only be an illusion, and one knowing a current state is able to predict the future (Demon of Laplace).

One example of a scientists viewpoint:

You don't have free will, but don't worry. - YouTube

Now JW agree with atheist in one matter, that there is no soul surviving human death, humans are only made of "dust". So if humans are only made of atoms and moleculs, which are subject to laws of Physics, were is the free will located then?

A dilemma even for some PIMI witnesses I talked to (at least the thinkers among them).

Also quantum physics do not provide a way out, since unpredictability does not equate free will.

What are your ideas?