only after contacting the local HLC, and you need to have your DPA handy anyway.
How else should I know which fractions you allow to use ?
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If we were alone together in the woods 100 miles from nowhere
by John Doe inand a tree fell on me, pinning me to the ground, and all you had was a dull pocket knife, would you perform a field amputation of a leg or arm to save my life?
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Why Aren't You At Least FAding?
by shamus100 init doesn't take much, just stop going.
you don't even have to do it all at once; maybe do one meeting a week for a month, then one meeting a month for two months, then just stop going.. what's going to happen?.
nothing.. getting a shepherding call... q: what's wrong brother twinkletoes?
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MLE, I quite understand your position, I am in similar "shoes"
fading as an elder is virtually impossible without facing more or less serious questioning.
If its not health, it must be something else. In my case, we had an elder resign some years ago, apparatently due to secular work reasons.
However, some time later, the real reason came up, he cheated on his wife.
If I ever would resign, I´m sure suspicions in this regard may run high, because my health has been very good so far, and I´m not good at faking things.
My goal is to resign sooner or later, but I need to find the appropriate timing. I work on my wife to get her used to the idea of switching congo, because this may be my only change.
But right now, we have a small BOE, where each one is needed desperately. Fortunetely, my fellow elders are of the more reasonable, intelligent kind, company men yes, but as open possible. My little influence can help to take advantage of that, and I could at least once prevent an unnecessary JC, by avoiding the merely legal aproach on things.
There is good that can be accomplished by those of the "conscious class", before they fade or drop out.
Maybe thats something in the end, that helps deal with the responsibility before God, however we may define it.
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This is probably petty, but .....Did you ever have a problem with losing your KM?
by miseryloveselders in"misery, do you have an extra kingdom ministry?
" "misery, you didnt give me my kindom ministry for april, i know its only february, but you wouldnt happen to have it, would you?
" "i could have sworn i gave you your km.
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haha, yes, like Mad sweeney said, its a 50/50 issue.
half the time I forgot to had it out, half the time the pub misplaced it...
well lately it doenst matter, just take the one from last month, most of it is the same boring FS-advice anyway...
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anybody ever asekd a JW, who is a med. doc ?
by inbetween inabout the societies teaching on fractions / components ?.
there are indeed some physicians, who are jw, what do they think about this teaching, that certain fractions (red, white bloodcells, platelets and plasma) is forbidden, while other fractions are conscience matter ?.
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very intersting, thanks for the replies:
TD: yes, someone could reason: since minor fractions (gamma globulin) are crossing the platential barrier, all minor fractions are allowed. Then he could meditate about, what are minor fractions. Somebody else could with the same right reason, since part of blood are exchanged in a natural setting, the command ot abstain from blood, must only refer to nutrition (= eating), both reasonings have to be accepted, however, and here is my point: Its a personal decsion based on ones conscience !!!
Where is the personal responsibility and conscience, when I have to take a list from the society to find out what my conscience permits ?
Its soo ridiculous actually !!!
However, how do most brothers view it ? They appreciate that the society gives them more freedom of choice
So take away everything from somebody, then give them a little bit back, and they thank you forever...
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POEM..."Forgive them Father, for they don't know what they do"...
by tjlibre inshowing my poetic side...hope you enjoy.
forgive them father, for they dont know what they do.
when they use your holy name to lead us astray.... forgive them father, for they dont know what they do.
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very nice, tjlibre, Christian spirirt coupled with "power of reason", very nice and accurate indeed !!
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anybody ever asekd a JW, who is a med. doc ?
by inbetween inabout the societies teaching on fractions / components ?.
there are indeed some physicians, who are jw, what do they think about this teaching, that certain fractions (red, white bloodcells, platelets and plasma) is forbidden, while other fractions are conscience matter ?.
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about the societies teaching on fractions / components ?
There are indeed some physicians, who are JW, what do they think about this teaching, that certain fractions (red, white bloodcells, platelets and plasma) is forbidden, while other fractions are conscience matter ?
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interesting link, article on JW about Haiti relief
by inbetween inhttp://www.examiner.com/x-17373-phoenix-signs-of-the-times-examiner~y2010m1d26-helping-haiti-give-generously-but-wisely.
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sorry, Im so stupid, just saw the same posted a page before, sorry again...
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interesting link, article on JW about Haiti relief
by inbetween inhttp://www.examiner.com/x-17373-phoenix-signs-of-the-times-examiner~y2010m1d26-helping-haiti-give-generously-but-wisely.
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soem years ago, I came unintentionally to this websie, and after reading some headlines only, I thought, what a bunch of loosers...
evil apostates, who, in order to excuse their wrong doing, find faults in Jahs org and "beat" the slaves with lies and half-truths...
well, it changed, but not this forum, it was me that changed.
What made this change ? evil apostates ? satanic propaganda ? No, my eyes opened wider and wider only through reading material published by the WTS !!!! After many years, i could not put up with cognitive dissonace in myself, once you see the strong "human" element in some of their teachings, you shake off their stupid restrictions, and look "behind the curtain", which is also oin websides like this.
Maybe, my friend, in due time, you come back, after experiencing similar things.
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a dub at my door said my childs abuse was an isolated case !
by looloo ini left town after the court case for a fresh start , it was 18 months before dubs knocked on my door , so i told them why i was not interested in their message , aswell as the watchtower payouts in may 2007 ,with gag orders attached , they seemed quite shocked by that but warned me to be carefull what information i read on the web !
i told them that in america they do not make up the news !
they seemed quite shocked about what happened to my child but said it would have ben an isolated case !
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I remember, when a letter came from the society, how to deal with brothers, who abused children.
I thought, man that really happens in gods org ?
I thought, those were isolated cases.....
Normal JW do not know the facts, from where should they get the information ?
The society does not tell anything, only bits and pieces to elders some times..
apostate information is heavily demonized and the internet or media in general has to be mistrusted, anything against JW is propaganda from the world of the devil.
Additionally, please consider, JW view themselves as a close community, a real rotherhood, just like a little village.
To hear something like that happening in a little village, people usually tend to deny it, this was the case for years in many countries, so it is the case with most JW as well.
This is simply to clarify or to understand the reaction of most JW, however, nobody should minmize the damage that has been done to children + their families from "sick" criminals and from the wrong policy of the WTS !!!