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  Does the new Catholic scandal help or hurt in exposing the WT abuse scandals?

  by undercover in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  with all the attention being paid to new allegations of abuse cover-up in the catholic church i wonder:.

  1. does this take the heat off the wts and are they hoping to slide through less scrutinized while the pope gets skewered by the media?

  will the wts be stupid enough to try to capitalize on the catholics problems by printing articles critical of them?.

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  inbetween

  some witnesses here go crazy about it, how bad the RC is, and so on...

  Whenever possible, I try to tell them not to point the finger, things like that happen with JW too....I usually get a big surprised look...
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  Signing Publisher Record Cards

  by IMHO in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know this doesn't apply to all countries.. however, is it a 'requirement'?.

  is it enforced?.

  is it optional?.

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  inbetween

  good question IMHO,

  I think, they cannot trouble a piblisher much, but if there is any privilege it might be taken away, because of not "humbly submitting to theocratic order" or something like that.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 03-07-10 WT Study (DEDICATE JAH)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he will even restore his loyal ones to their youth so that they can benefit from his care.

  more happiness than dedication ourselves to anything or one else--even a spirit-directed organization?.

  about making the choice to belong to jehovah.. comments.

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  inbetween

  anybody noticed the pictures ?

  the guy supposed to be a bible study, was shown with a full beard, and then, to illustrate his changes from wordly to godly, he became clean shaven....

  even in times when I was full 'in', I never undertsood the stance on beards...so now it bugs me even more...
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  prayer before eating

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mentioned to an elder/friend the other day that it occurred to me that there really doesan't seem to be any scriptural precedent or mandate for the tradition of praying before we eat.

  i said that jesus blessed the loaves and fishes when he performed that miracle, and he blessed the wine and bread at the last supper, but i couldn't think of any other example of it.

  i also suggested that the tradition of praying before eating was probably rooted in giving thanks to the various gods of nature and the perception og god as being involved in the outcome of the harvest, and that, by that way of looking at it, we probably shouldn't pray before eating....silence..

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  inbetween

  hm, at home in the family, I think it has its value, reminds you to be thankful in general, which is not a bad thing...

  however, i hate it in public, always did the same as cantleave did (and hoped nobody else around notices)
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  Do you hold any ''responsibility'' for the believing the WTS?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses are the only people that will inherit life on paradise earth.

  only jehovah's witnesses have the ''truth''.

  the wts is the only ''channel' 'to jehovah.

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  inbetween

  thats one of the most nagging questions, why did I not see this earlier ?

  Why did it take so long to see through this scam ?

  Why did I defend the oddest teachings with far-fetched reasonings ?

  My reply: hardly if ever, were we able to see the other side, anything apostate was demonized, and the usual house-holder we meet, has mostly only little knowledge of JW, or even the bible.

  its all about control of information, the WTS feeds you only what fits their agenda, and make it appear "bible-based" so anything that contradicts them contradicts automatically Gods word.

  only when their information control got too tight, (example km 2007, about not studying the bible in Greek, or the newer and more extrem approach to higher education) my personal red flag got up.

  I started first to think for myself, and not to agree with certain teachings...then I ignored the warning about apostates, and came finally to this site...

  If they slowly opnened up, a process imho that began in the nineties, maybe I still would be fully in, but they choose the other road, and therefore caused me (and others) to see through....

  regarding responsibility ? well, Jesus forgave those who tortured him, because they did not know what they are doing, while he strongly rebuked those who knew, like the Pharisees, priests etc...

  at least, thats what I hope for...
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  Does anyone here ever feel that they don't fit in

  by cantleave in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you no longer fit in with the jw's and aren't yet accepted by those outside either?.

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  inbetween

  exactly know what you mean, to a point at least.

  I observe some people at work or in neighborhood, end even though most of them are just decent normal people, sometimes their perceived purpose in life seems too shallow,

  let me explain: even when you realize the WTS is a big fraud, it gave life a "spiritual" dimension, shielding from a mere materialistic view of life, which is not completely satisfying.

  (however this may often just be from the perspective of a JW, when you barley get the chance to really get to know people outsied of the "truth")

  additionally when you live as an outsider for decades, it is hard to change in a short time to be fully integrated in society.

  on the other hand, when you are with witnesses, even if many are close friends, when they start talking cultish, it seems weird for those of the "conscious class", and you may feel as not fitting in either.

  Funny, i realise that I was never so full of this stuff, like prasing Jah for every positive thing that occurs in your life and blaming the devil for anything negative. Now it even strikes me more odd than before when I hear stuff like that.

  Yep, I completely understand this feeling....
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  Congregation Bible Study Book

  by dig692 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not sure if this question was addressed yet, but does anyone know what the next book is that will be studied at the congregation bible study?.

  i'm pretty sure we're close to the end of keep yourselves in god's love, or maybe it's finished already, so if anyone knows what the new study aid will be please let me know.. .

  thanks-dig.

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  inbetween

  its the "follow me" book, the new one about Jesus,

  in fact anything is better than the "gods rules" book we had the past year...
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  Life On Hold: The CO Visit Week

  by sacolton in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did anyone have to cancel a vacation trip because it was on co visit week?

  i still don't get why the co visit was as if god himself was in town.

  is it kinda like if the pope were to visit with catholics?.

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  inbetween

  Co-visits, omg....

  being a born-in, CO were often viewd as half-gods, elders getting nervous, because big boss is coming.

  worse, some ass-kissy publishers, circling the CO and his wife before and after meeting, I never was that type of person.

  CO-visits always ment more work, stress, and relief on sunday after the last talk....even as true beleiver, I always hated this times...

  even though some CO were decent guys, even funny and one of them almost became a good friend,, (but after 6 visits, its too short of a time to from a real friend-ship)

  the current one is also nice, one reason, why I wait before I resign. Will get a new one in fall though....
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  Which book ,studied at the Book Study, you Hated or loved more????

  by deep-blue-sea in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  during my life as jw i have studied many, many books of the wt at the weekly book study.. here you will find some of the books considered during the years with their publishing date:.

  1955 new heavens, new hearth.

  1961 from lost paradise to..... 1962 let your will be done on earth.

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  inbetween

  hate:

  "gods rule" sorry, "Gods love"-book, its a list of do`s and do`nts, horrible for anybody in the conscious class...

  "isaiah" books, just plain boring, even a CO admitted that...

  liked:

  "creator" book, required some thinking at least, and some some good explanations

  "revelation" book, I know, some weird reasonings and applications, 7 trumprets for example, but at least not a dictating rule book

  "daniel" book, same as revelation, and I love history...
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  "People Don't Join Religions for the Doctrine"

  by leavingwt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "people don't join religions for the doctrine.

  this and other interesting observations by randy watters, in a new post at free minds.

  a sample is below.. .

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  inbetween

  ak jeff, I agree completely, observe the same here, some just are happy with rules and if the society is uncertain, they endeavor to put certainty in themselves.

  they need somebody to tell them what to do. Mayn of them would really fail in life, and have failed before joining.

  For others (especially born in, or those caught off guard so to speak) it becomes a burden, they deal with either through living it only on the surface, or through depression, alcohol, other issues...