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  Are you smarter than an Atheist? I found the results to be amusing.

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a survey of 32 question of religious knowledge given by the.

  pew forum on the religion and public life.. get this, on average, americans got 16 of 32 right.. number one group, yes, the atheists and agnostics got.

  an average of (20.9), jews (20.5), mormons(20.3), protestants(16).

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  nirvana (also thought it was hinduism), catholics and jonathan edwards, otherwise I got 29 out of 32.

  reminded me of the written reviews ;-)
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  Is it my imagination, or do JWs jump around in Mat 24 to prove "Last Days"?

  by WontLeave in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  3 as jesus was sitting on the mount of olives, the disciples came to him privately.

  tell us, they said, when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

  4 jesus answered: watch out that no one deceives you.

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  even in my days as mentally fully in, I had a hard time to understand this prophecy. I ebelive, there was a watchtower in the 90`s, trying to explain the prophecies in Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13, kind of concentrating on the word "then".

  Even though I liked "deep" stuff, I didnt really grasp it fully...now I know why, it just doesnt make sense. To take somethings saying it applies only to 1th century and other things saying applies to our time, and then other parts apllying to both times without any proof of this assertions is just wild speculation at best.
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  One thing the WT got right was the Trinity being false.

  by miseryloveselders in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i swear only a fool would believe in such a ludicrous doctrine that all three are one.

  ridiculous..

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  Since I dared to look beyond WTS explanations, I learned a lot about trinity, even understand to some degree, why it became such a popular doctrine.

  However, there are still some strong objections to it, I cannot explain away:

  1) the scripture in 1. Corinthians 11:3

  1 Corinthians 11:3 (New International Version, ©2011)

  But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, [a] and the head of Christ is God.

  Headship as being higher in rank, how does this harmonize with a trinity, when all are said to be equal ?

  2) free will

  If the trinity are 3 persons in one god-head, fine, but what if one person exercises free will, lets say Jesus gave in to temptation of the Devil, and necomes apostate to the father, what will happen to the trinity ?

  3) death of Jesus

  How was the trinity affected by Jesus death ?
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  Do you appreciate the sacrifices brothers made in 1927 so that we can preach on Sundays?

  by miseryloveselders in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the may 2011 km has an article on page 2 entitled, "could you share in the ministry on sundays?

  1. it was the sabbath, a day when most jews in philippi rested.

  paul and his companions were visiting the city during one of their missionary tours.

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  Please, dont tell me, they want to push Sunday now....just leave people their day at peace !!!

  anyway, interesting report about 1927, they pushed against the law, "On occasions when publishers were arrested, there were so many of them that the authorities were overwhelmed. "

  This does not sound like a legal battle for religious freedom, this sounds like disobedience to superior authorities. On the other hand, today they advice, not to break the law, but to be "cautious as serpents , but innocent as doves" when preaching and state laws are involved. Example here, telephone witnessing is legally forbidden, so also the brothers are discouraged from doing it.
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  Question for all you Current/Former Elders out there

  by dontplaceliterature in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the "situation"a brother and sister from my parents congregation committed adultry with one another.

  he was single, she was married to another brother in the same hall.

  her husband divorced her.

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  @Viola

  What I meant in my reply was simply to tell how those cases are usually handled in the org. However, i fully agree with you, that such a serious thing as adultery is most certainly a matter between the married couple. I know cases, were the meddling of the elders made situations even worse for the innocent part. Generally I would understand a kind of discipline in the spirit of 1 Corinthians, but the whole disfellowshipping arrangement of the WTS is just pathetic.
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  Question for all you Current/Former Elders out there

  by dontplaceliterature in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the "situation"a brother and sister from my parents congregation committed adultry with one another.

  he was single, she was married to another brother in the same hall.

  her husband divorced her.

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  Viola:

  BS in between. adultery is adultery. The scheming thing only matters if the cheated on mate is considering forgiveness. Even then, that is usually how adultery takes place. yes folks get hurt but that's life. it should be " to death do us part and in sickness and health" but it is often not.

  adultery may be adultery, but the process of handling it, depends largely on the repentance shown. If no initial repentance, df results. For reinstatement, once more, the measure of repentance is the decisive factor. In the case, mentioned above, genuine repentance will be questioned for a longer time as usual. Viola, let me ask you, did you handel such cases in the past ? You seem very sure of your opinion !!
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  Question for all you Current/Former Elders out there

  by dontplaceliterature in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the "situation"a brother and sister from my parents congregation committed adultry with one another.

  he was single, she was married to another brother in the same hall.

  her husband divorced her.

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  The only thing I can think of, why it takes long: The gravity of the offense, it was obviously not a momentary weakness, but rather a schemed way out of a marriage. Some sort of wicked intent, therefore the punishment must be more severe as well. (disfellowshipping is some kind of punishment, although never admitted officially)
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  Higher Education June 15th Watchtower 2011

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "higher education: jesus warned against seeking your own glory.

  (john 7:18) whatever you decide as to how much secular education you will obtain, have you made sure of the more important things?phil.

  1:9,10.. grzegorz, the computer programmer, made some changes in his life.

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  Before I used to think, the downing of higher education is a sincere effort to warn the flock from materialism, and other dangers.

  But now, I think, its really to keep followers stupid, to prevent them from developping self esteem, that in turn would allow them to question their leaders.

  Once I discussed with a friend some doctrines, his reply, "the man on the GB must be really smart, they know whats best for us"

  Thats how they like us to think of them, somebody with higher education might question this.

  I often wonder though, how some smart JW who actually have higher education, can swallow some nonsense they produce...
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  WARNING for active JW's

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as you may have heard if you attended recently, social networking is of the devil and many have been 'lead astray' by website supposedly set up for jw.

  whatever, you heard it before about rock, hard rock, hip hop, rap, gangsta rap, tv, werewolves .... anyway you may have heard of the recent elder school where basically there were the proverbial tongue lashings about not having social networking sites.

  here is the skinny on recent developments:.

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  inbetween

  sorry, no offense, but it sounds quit weird.

  At our KMS school recently, they talked negatvie about social networks, but it was never directly mentioned, that appointed men should not be on it.

  The only issue, when qualification of an appointed man should be reviewed, was the higher education thing. That was anyway annoying enough, but nothing about social networks...

  therefore, BS detector is very high !!!!
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  The Organization is NOT Spirit-Directed! -- Says J.R. Brown!

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  "the watchtower" magazine, march 1, 1992, page 6:.

  "the watchtower" magazine, march 15, 1991, page 22: .

  "the watchtower" magazine, march 15, 1986, page 18:.

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  inbetween

  they beat around the bush, their goal:

  obey them blindly but

  if things go wrong, they dont want to be responsible....