Posts by dgp

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-27-09 WT Study (LOVELESS WORLD)

by blondie in

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--read 1 john 3:16.. comments.

q 18, 19. how should we view any counsel that we receive from a christian friend, and what example did the ephesus.

why not the david example here...david's servants and family had to know.. q 21. what will all of us do at times, but why is it vital that we maintain strong friendships in the congregation?.

dgp

I appreciate the post very much, because it touches me deeply. It didn't matter that I showed her my love in every way. It didn't matter that she confessed to friends that "I was indeed a good man". It didn't matter how her hands where shaking, and how she was obviously touched when I told her I loved her. For a minute, she hesitated. It didn't matter that for a long time I saw that she loved me. The whole thing was, "You're not one of Jehovah's witnesses"...

In these times, I couldn't show her my love. It won't matter. It will make things even worse. I can offer help, but she won't take it. I can offer love, but she won't admit she loves me back. I am not one of Jehovah's witnesses.

All she could offer was a Bible study with an elder. And I was informed enough to know that was not the way to go. Still, I went to the Kingdom Hall with her.

Now, it doesn't matter anymore.

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Post Number Ten Thousand and One

by OnTheWayOut in

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i just finished 10,000 posts today.

i didn't even notice.

so here i start on my next 10 grand.

dgp

I'm sorry that all I can say is congratulations, On The Way Out. (Handshake) I think I can understand how you feel.

I hope your wife will eventually be Ms. Finally Out, too.

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number of anointed

by ssn587 in

dont know if i or anyone else has asked this before, but does anyone know how many annointed were supposedly at the last memorial, it seems to be the hidden #.

does that mean they are now the hidden society (said tongue in cheek).

dgp

Good question, RAS.

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Bethel Layoffs

by cantleave in

could those who know about these lay offs give some clear evidence of what has happened, when, to who, any experiences of people effected and to what extent?.

i want to talk to a really good friend about the situation.

he is a young guy who feels he should be doing more for the organisation, and is thinking about giving up a very good career to make a more of his career in the "truth".

dgp

I wonder if what happened at the Spanish Bethel would help:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/174671/1/Bethel-reductions-in-Europe

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Would you like to hear an interesting experience?

by palmtree67 in

on friday, one of the patients who is a jw gave the doc the latest mags.. at lunchtime, the doc handed them to me and asked if i wanted to read them.

(if you remember, i am df'ed and the cleaning lady at work made a point of making sure the doc i work for knows it.).

i took them and said, "you're not going to read them?".

dgp

I believe that living with a spouse you don't love, don't have sex with, and don't have anything in common with, just for the sake of the organization is a lot worse than living with someone you love but haven't married.

Palmtree, I bet the doctor will never become a JW. He has seen what the WTBTS does to good people.

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Have a laugh at these cringe-worthy Watchtower interpretations. JW's must be so embarrassed.

by yadda yadda 2 in

utterly embarrassing.

how many jw's honestly believe these daft interpretations?

hard to believe these are actually held out as current truth lol.

dgp

In all my readings about the WTBTS (I'm not a witness, nor will I ever be one) I have never found an explanation of why those calculations need to be made. That is to say, why is it that we have to give this meaning to the Book of Daniel? Also, in my readings I have found that the book of Daniel was probably written by three different people, in different times. And, that it could have been considered apocryphal, as some sections of it indeed are. It gives me the goosebumps to think that many people may have made such a number of calculations over nothing.

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number of anointed

by ssn587 in

dont know if i or anyone else has asked this before, but does anyone know how many annointed were supposedly at the last memorial, it seems to be the hidden #.

does that mean they are now the hidden society (said tongue in cheek).

dgp

I understand the anointed are thought to be the mediators for the rest of the witnesses, and that their number is only 144,000, literally. I also understand the fact that they used to be "the generation that wouldn't pass away". I know that the "calling" had been closed in 1935. Which meant that, if all of the anointed died, then the WTBTS would have been proved dead wrong. I understand that is why they have changed the "generation" idea to meaning "for as long as there are anointed". If my understanding is correct, what the WTBTS did was simply delay a serious blow. The organization needs to have anointed in existence in the 2,000 previous years if it is to hold that there have been Jehovah's witnesses since the coming of Jesus (or since Abel, I'm not sure). But, if the number of the anointed continues to grow in our times, then the number of witnesses needs to be reduced in times past. At some point, they will either need to drop the belief, to keep some of the faithful, or die out. What are your thoughts on this, people?

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CreativHoneys new Alias.. THE ELDERS CAME TO MY DOOR!!! NEED SOME SUPPORT.

by creativjamspam in

hi all, - firstly a new alias, so i can use the gravatar function...- ill be using both for a while till this one kicks in.. .

ok, so some of you know im dfd and my faded sister lives with me.. - today at about 1pm, the elder who dfd me turned up at my door.

i was in bed - ive had a cold for three days and a hacking cough.. james came up and told me, and i said im not well, but my sense of motherliness kicked in and i thought, its not for my eleven year old son to deal with this.

dgp

Creativ, I'm sorry for you and your sister. I hope she decides to join the board.

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Right to Die Issue Terminally Ill, Hopelessly Paralized, Etc..What Are Your Thoughts?

by frankiespeakin in

first off let me say this is not about me, i'm happy and healthy.

it really about all the suffering i see people going thru.

examples in my family over the years have caused me to think very seriously this.. i could give you a couple of examples and i'm sure some of our posters can tell other horror stories they'd witnessed where perhaps it would have been much better for them and their family if they could have passed away painlessly and with much more dignity.. one of my sisters developed breast cancer and died after about a 12month struggle, we saw her waste away to just skin and bones, it was hard on me as well as her two young children and husband.

dgp

AK Jeff said, "I have no problem with dignified euthanasia. My concern lies with the danger that is always possible for government or others to take it to the next step and taking it out of the hands of the individual. I fear this could happen."

Fully agree.

Frankiespeaking said "Your father's situation and my sister's makes me think that if they where given a very clear picture by the doctors as to what would be the stages they would have to go thru and if they were given a choice of a painless death they would have chosen to die with dignity and in their own time thus giving them a measure of control back to them instead of waiting and suffering"

The problem here, Frankie, is that doctors can also become desensitized to your needs or wants. I understand it happens to all of them, up to a point, if they want to avoid insanity. They see pain and suffering every day and they must create their own shields.

So, the key factors are INFORMATION, first, and RIGHT, second. They should give you all the right information, and let you decide.

I would also legislate that the organs of a person choosing to die should not be allowed to be donated. Just to prevent vested interests.

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My growing opinion about religion

by AK - Jeff in

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when i walked away from jw's i thought that i would find other religions more comforting, less controlling.

what i found was more of the same.

religion acting like a 'prophet'.

dgp

Interesting ideas, cantleave, as I myself am somewhere where you are, only perhaps more inclined to the atheist side.