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this scripture was read at the memorial last night to prove the anointed come from the earth but the 'not defiled by women in fact they are virgins' part was glossed over..

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"Not defiled by women"

In the bible women are often represented by "idolatry" "prostituate"

-In Ezekiel when Yah talk about Israel the prostituate.

(Yechezqe'l 16 RNV) Again the word of Yahuwah came to me saying,
{2} "Son of man, cause Yeruwshalaim to know her abominations
{3} and say, 'Thus says the Sovereign Yahuwah to Yeruwshalaim, "Your birth and your nativity are from the land of Kena'an. Your father was an 'Emoriy and your mother a Chittiy.
{4} As for your nativity, on the day you were born your navel cord was not cut nor were you washed in water to cleanse you. You were not rubbed with salt nor wrapped in swaddling cloths.
{5} No eye pitied you to do any of these things for you, to have compassion on you but you were thrown out into the open field, when you yourself were loathed on the day you were born.
{6} And when I passed by you and saw you struggling in your own blood, I said to you in your blood, 'Live!' Yes, I said to you in your blood, 'Live!'
{7} I made you thrive like a plant in the field and you grew, matured, and became very beautiful. Your breasts were formed, your hair grew, but you were naked and bare.
{8} When I passed by you again and looked upon you, indeed your time was the time of love so I spread My wing over you and covered your nakedness. Yes, I swore an oath to you and entered into a covenant with you and you became Mine," says the Sovereign Yahuwah.
{9} Then I washed you in water. Yes, I thoroughly washed off your blood and I anointed you with oil.
{10} I clothed you in embroidered cloth and gave you sandals of antelope skin. I clothed you with fine linen and covered you with silk.
{11} I adorned you with ornaments, put bracelets on your wrists, and a chain on your neck,
{12} and I put a jewel in your nose, rings in your ears, and a beautiful crown on your head.
{13} Thus you were adorned with gold and silver and your clothing was of fine linen, silk, and embroidered cloth. You ate pastry of fine flour, honey, and oil. You were exceedingly beautiful and succeeded to royalty.
{14} Your fame went out among the heathen because of your beauty for it was perfect through My splendor that I had bestowed on you," says the Sovereign Yahuwah.
{15} "But you trusted in your own beauty, played the harlot because of your fame, and poured out your harlotry on everyone passing by who would have it.
{16} You took some of your garments and adorned multicolored high places for yourself and played the harlot on them. Such things should not happen nor be.
{17} You have also taken your beautiful jewelry from My gold and My silver that I had given you and made for yourself male images and played the harlot with them.
{18} You took your embroidered garments and covered them and you set My oil and My incense before them.
{19} Also My food that I gave you, the pastry of fine flour, oil, and honey that I fed you, you set it before them as sweet incense and so it was," says the Sovereign Yahuwah.
{20} "Moreover you took your sons and your daughters, whom you bore to Me, and these you sacrificed to them to be devoured. Were your acts of harlotry a small matter
{21} that you have slain My sons and offered them up to them by causing them to pass through the fire?
{22} And in all your abominations and acts of harlotry you did not remember the days of your youth, when you were naked and bare, struggling in your blood.
{23} Then it was so, after all your wickedness, 'Woe, woe to you!'" says the Sovereign Yahuwah,
{24} "that you also built for yourself a shrine and made a high place for yourself in every street.
{25} You built your high places at the head of every road and made your beauty to be abhorred. You offered yourself to everyone who passed by and multiplied your acts of harlotry.
{26} You also committed harlotry with the Mitsriy, your very fleshly neighbors, and increased your acts of harlotry to provoke Me to anger.
{27} Behold! Therefore I stretched out My hand against you, diminished your allotment, and gave you up to the will of those who hate you, the daughters of the Pelishtiym, who were ashamed of your lewd behavior.
{28} You also played the harlot with the sons of ‘Ashshuwr because you were insatiable. Indeed you played the harlot with them and still were not satisfied.
{29} Moreover you multiplied your acts of harlotry as far as the land of the trader, Kasdiy, and even then you were not satisfied.
{30} How degenerate is your heart!” says the Sovereign Yahuwah, “seeing you do all these things, the deeds of a brazen harlot.
{31} You erected your shrine at the head of every road and built your high place in every street. Yet you were not like a harlot because you scorned payment.
{32} You are an adulterous wife who takes strangers instead of her husband.
{33} Men make payment to all harlots but you made your payments to all your lovers and hired them to come to you from all around for your harlotry.
{34} You are the opposite of other women in your harlotry because no one solicited you to be a harlot in that you gave payment but no payment was given you, therefore you are the opposite.
{35} Now then, O harlot, hear the word of Yahuwah!"
{36} Thus says the Sovereign Yahuwah, “Because your filthiness was poured out and your nakedness uncovered in your harlotry with your lovers, and with all your abominable idols, and because of the blood of your sons that you gave to them,
{37} surely therefore, I will gather all your lovers with whom you took pleasure, all those you loved, and all those you hated. I will gather them from all around against you and will uncover your nakedness to them that they may see all your nakedness
{38} and I will judge you as women who break wedlock or shed blood are judged. I will bring blood upon you in fury and jealousy.
{39} I will also give you into their hand and they shall throw down your shrines and break down your high places. They shall also strip you of your clothes, take your beautiful jewelry, and leave you naked and bare.

- (Howshea' 1 RNV) The word of Yahuwah that came to Howshea' the son of Be'eriy in the days of 'UzziYahuw, Yowtham, 'Achaz, and ChizqiYahuw, kings of Yahudah, and in the days of Yarob'am the son of Yow'ash, king of Yisra'el.
{2} Yahuwah began to speak by Howshea'. Yahuwah said to Howshea', "Go! Take yourself a wife of harlotry and sons of harlotry, for the land has been untrue toward Yahuwah."

(2 Korinthios 11 RNV) Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly, and indeed you do bear with me.
{2} For I am jealous for you with a jealousy in accordance to the will of Yahuwah. For I have betrothed you to one husband that I may present you as a chaste virgin to the Anointed.
{3} But I fear lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Chawwah by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in the Anointed.
{4} For if he who comes preaches another Yahushua whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit that you have not received, or a different gospel that you have not accepted, you may well put up with it!

In revelation before the "Not defiled by women" its talk about the false prophet and the mark of the beast.That "mark of idolatry" will came from a women!

But who is that women(s)?Israel?Babylon and the False Religions like the watchtower say...?

1john 5

16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him. 19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. 20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

21 Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

4} These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from men as firstfruits to Yahuwah and to the Lamb.
{5} And in their mouth was found no deceit for they are without fault before the throne of Yahuwah.
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4 It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for ( K ) they are virgins. It is these ( L ) who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as ( M ) firstfruits for God and the Lamb, 5 and ( N ) in their mouth no lie was found, for they are ( O ) blameless.

All that to simply say a virgin man who "HAS NEVER" lied or have say "THE" lie? (bible trad war)

Jerusalem French bible say "The lie was not found"

Personally I don`t think that REV talk about the gentle sex

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Aramaic vs Hebrew / Greek Scriptures.....

by EndofMysteries in

matt 1 just for an easy comparing and arugments sake.

just asking for little bit of help, do all original scrolls in those languages from which all bibles are made, do they all say the same thing, and are all the names the same?

trying to compare, and appeared the aramaic (trying to find a aramaic bible version), but the names appeared diff in it's language and scriptures a lil out of order.

QuestForThruth

Targum

Peshitta

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Aramaic Peshitta vs. Greek New Testament

by agonus in

any scholars care to comment on the authority/primacy of one over the other?.

QuestForThruth

Wiki1

Wiki2

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Russel&Rutherford $$$ of Zionism?

by QuestForThruth in

when i have see this post http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/183225/1/beth-sarim it have remind me some very old question!.

charles taze russell-he was a big pro-zionism who greatly help this movement in the year before ww1.. http://ctrussell.fr/israel.htm (some very old text from russel in french) http://ctrussell.fr/ .

-he have created the "anglo-israelites" english-israel theory of the "elect people".

QuestForThruth

1- I got a little stong with the word "created"

2-hhhmmm you`re probably right,all what the poor judges have always wanted its to be arrogants,proud and egoist. ^^

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The role of the New Testament authors in shaping the character of Jesus Christ into their vision of the Jewish messiah.

by whereami in

jw
friends

i found this to be an interesting series.

very good points are made in showing the attempts made at making the nt work with the ot.. parts 6 & 7 are especially good for the jw's.

please feel free to comment.

QuestForThruth

What a joke that series,he really conclude some shit whit the little information that he want to see...

Like I say often,the Internet give some good info...but when we don't search for the + and -,we find only what we want so see.

I'm tired and don't want to take the time to debate about these 7 videos

Give these videos to a jewish messianic movement and you will see that you have miss a lot of things on the old testament prophecy and even on Paul.(I'm not in on of these movement)

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Russel&Rutherford $$$ of Zionism?

by QuestForThruth in

when i have see this post http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/183225/1/beth-sarim it have remind me some very old question!.

charles taze russell-he was a big pro-zionism who greatly help this movement in the year before ww1.. http://ctrussell.fr/israel.htm (some very old text from russel in french) http://ctrussell.fr/ .

-he have created the "anglo-israelites" english-israel theory of the "elect people".

QuestForThruth

When I have see this post http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/183225/1/Beth-Sarim it have remind me some very old question!

Charles Taze Russell

-He was a big pro-zionism who greatly help this movement in the year before WW1.

http://ctrussell.fr/israel.htm (some very old text from Russel in french) http://ctrussell.fr/

-he have created the "Anglo-Israëlites" English-Israel theory of the "elect people"

-Russel teach to the bible movement and russelite not to preach the good news to the jew,they have another "salvation plan" from god,(yes he was teaching that the sabbat was only for the jew and not for christian and meany others examples)

-Some people have some doubt about where $ support came from?We know that he was really like by some jew and some say the Freemason or even banker Rothschilds himself.

-All religious movement in this time have an Sionism propaganda about Israel.(some good book on scribd talk about that)

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4685534/The_Incredible_Scofield_and_His_Book_-_Joseph_M._Canfield

Joseph Franklin Rutherford

-He was a pro-zionism

http://www.lulu.com/content/876324

-He became antisemit(Not able to found text in english)

En 1937, Joseph Franklin Rutherford écrivait dans Ennemies (p. 281) : « Parmi les instruments qu'elle (la "prostituée de Babylone") utilise, il y a des hommes extrêmement égoïstes appelés "juifs" qui n'ont d'intérêt que pour l'appât du gain.»

-Trad by me:In 1937,Joseph Franklin Rutherford have writed in the book Ennemies(p.281) : with the tool that babylon the

prostitute have,she have men extremely selfish that we call "jews" who think only for $$$ and herself.

En 1934, dans la brochure "Peuple favorisé", le président des Témoins de Jéhovah Rutherford écrit à la page 5 : "Les hommes actuellement appelés Juifs sont des commerçants parmi lesquels se trouvent quelques-uns des hommes les plus riches et les plus avares que le monde ait connus. Certains grands chefs du Haut Commerce sont nommés Juifs. Beaucoup d'entre eux sont arrogants, fiers et très égoïstes."

-In 1934 in the text "favorised People" Rutherford have writed in P.5:The men currently called jews are traders,some of the most rich and miser that this world have know.Some are the greatest Sellers/traders/banker who say to be jews.Some of them are arrogants,proud and egoist.

Why Rutherford have changed of camp?

-Money?

-Bible?

-Others?

(sorry for my english)

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