Good points Perry, and larc, what you said is true too.
Posts by jack2
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22Musings on Children, Ex-JW Wars, & Truth
by Perry inmusings on children, ex-jw wars, & truth seeking
i think that children represent a real and credible threat to the wt.
children by nature are inquisitive and require explanations, which requires two way communication.
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The Elder That Wanted To Disfellowship The Dead
by minimus ini mentioned about the elder that masturbated in another post.
this same man at the elder's school, felt that the appropriate course to take against a person that committed suicide was to disfellowship him.
when he was questioned about the reason, he felt that the person, no doubt, committed a sin against the spirit.
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jack2
That's one whacked elder, but hey, the .org breeds that type. Sure, not many are like that, but there is that suggestion in WT literature that suicide may jeopordize the dead's relationship w God, hence such views are born in the minds of some of the less compassionate JWs.
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Jesus Set Precedent for Shunning
by JosephAlward inabandon family to serve god ?
a contradiction not often discussed relates to the biblical teaching to abandon family in order to serve god.
matthew claims that jesus told his disciples to "honor your father and mother.
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jack2
Interesting thread.
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Did something happen this week? (site traffic)
by Simon ini forgot who made the post about that site 'exploding' with the traffic because of the silentlambs march.. well, the site didn't explode but the traffic certainly went up!
last week we had 55,000 visits making it the busiest week ever so far.
no doubt monday will be busy 'cause a lot of people view the site from work (you naughty people, lol) and they'll want to see all the pics and stuff.. thanks to everyone who's visited and posted for keeping things buzzin'
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jack2
wow, lots of traffic indeed.
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God's name
by freedom96 inever notice how as a witness, you could not say "god" by itself.
always had to be preceeded by jehovah, or just say jehovah.
i remember my ex telling me that was the first sign that they knew i was on the way out, because i would refer to god simply as, "god".
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jack2
I've always felt that the name Jehovah was over-used by the jws and their publications, and while I wouldn't say that they'd say that using "God" was wrong, one does feel very odd in their midst when saying "God".
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Who have you PERSONALLY met here?
by gumby in.
well, i'm a little on the jealous side.. i always here of posters here who seem to personally know each other....of coarse not most.....but many.
just curious who knows who in the flesh?..........well partially covered flesh anyways.. when you meet them for the first time....are they way different than you expected?.
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jack2
Haven't met anyone yet. I do have a list of those whom I'd like to meet.
Actually, one question raised at the outset, as to whether the people you've met are what you expected, is an interesting one.
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How WT teaches its Kids to Lie in court
by JT inwhen i was an elder i recall reading a boe letter about a little booklet that could only be requested if there was a child custody case in your hall, a copy was not be be kept ,but only requested on a need only basis.
little did i realize what it actually contained, knowing personally a number of the folks who work on the legal desk it never dawned on me that they would say what they did, but being a society man i guess i would have merely viewed it as a theocratic move.
the watchtower society encourages lying!
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jack2
Good post. It is clear that the WTS does indeed try to create a false impression from what I can see. The 'emphasis' in WT publications and at assemblies and so forth is toward a life with JW goals in mind. The 'emphasis' totally changes in this brochure.
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Elder's School Review This Weekend
by minimus in2 full days will be given to the elders for a review of the school that the elders already attended last year.
any idea of what else they could possibly say??
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jack2
Whenever we attended the elder's school, or had a meeting with the CO, one elder and myself talked about resigning because, as minimus said, we could not possibly live up all that was expected of us. That's really how we felt.
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Talk by a Branch Overseer
by Defender ina branch overseer of an asian country who happened to be visiting some of his family members in our area, gave a talk this evening in the hall that i used to attend.
i have not been attending meetings for months, but decided to go when my mother, a devout jw, came to visit me last week.
the branch overseer had just returned from attending the annual meeting in new york.
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jack2
Interesting discussion, good points made by Defender and Cygnus.
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Watchtower is Re-Writing History!
by UnDisfellowshipped inthe watchtower society seems to have the power of re-writing history!
i got most of these quotes from http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com.
*** live forever book (1982 edition), page 179 ***.
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jack2
Kelsey, you ask some very good questions, and I've wondered the same on occasion. My conclusion has been that there are many who need to validate their decision to leave, so they feel the need to 'dig up dirt' as it were. There are others who observe certain things and go through certain experiences which are often enough to convince them that their decision to leave was correct.
There are, of course, many others who teeter between staying and leaving, who have doubts and are not quite sure what to think. To them, some dirt digging might help in the decision-maiking process.
One thing I always try to remember before I start to think, 'hey, why can't people just move on' is that this religion's influence is in many ways all-pervasive in the lives of its adherents and former adherents. Thus, moving on is something that is very often easier said than done, hence the need for many folks to continue to validate their doubts and/or their decisons with regard to this religion.