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My Elderette returns for a final Bible Study session, after I avoided her for 2 months (very long post)

by Faithful Witness in

some of this will be repeat, since it's been a little while since i posted about my "bible study" sessions with miss k, my elderette.

we are talking about the name of jehovah.

thanks for talking with us today.

Deceived

FW I am going to share what you said in this thread with my daughter as I think she will appreciate it.

I raised her as a witness from the time she was 2 until 10 years old, then I left the religion thankfully. BUT my Mother was a diehard witness and she witnessed to her all the time after that. My daughter has a spiritual need and is still searching for the truth.

I think she will enjoy your friends ideas about Jesus. She has tried a few churches like the Pentacostal and the Baptist and the Anglicans but she was turned off of them by a few things like asking for money etc. So she called the witnesses early this year and asked them to study with her but she didn't like a lot of stuff they were telling her. She didn't agree with the Blood issue and when I told her that they have changed the rules on that a few times and people died who didn't have to die because of it she started really seeing the light. The clincher was that she is living with her boyfriend and not married to him. He isn't interested in becoming a JW so they told her in no uncertain terms that she had to leave him if she wanted to continue to study and become a JW. YAY!! She has a 5 year old boy with him and is now pregnant with her 2nd baby so she said forget it!!

She asked about the Generation thing from 1914 and that generation will not pass away before the end comes, they gave her some mumbo jumbo about the overlapping generations but she said she didn't understand it and they were annoyed with her for asking. They know I am a disassociated JW and they told her she had to shun me because I was an apostate Satan was using me to put doubts in her mind. They told her they knew this because of the questions she was asking, only an apostate asks those kind of questions they said.

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My Elderette returns for a final Bible Study session, after I avoided her for 2 months (very long post)

by Faithful Witness in

some of this will be repeat, since it's been a little while since i posted about my "bible study" sessions with miss k, my elderette.

we are talking about the name of jehovah.

thanks for talking with us today.

Deceived

I Like this thread so much. You did a great job with your questions FW!! Miss K FAILED big time and she knows it.

Hopefully her ego won't get in the way or her brainwashing and maybe you helped her to do some critical thinking.

My daughter was studying with the JW's until 2 months ago. I was so scared they would suck her in and I gently asked her to ask questions like you did. They could not answer either, just the old rote we have the truth and because the Faithful and Discreet slave told us so. Thankfully my daughter quit studying with them because of asking querstions and now is sure they don't have the truth. Your story helped us both.

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Israel's Defense

by Paris in

this is interesting.

lots of posts praising and defending palestinians .

i have yet to see one post from anyone defending israel.

Deceived

If you take the time to research and read all sides of the conflict it will become evident Israel has much to answer to also. Metatron, in my opinion you understand the conflict perfectly.

A must read:

http://www.amazon.com/Generals-Son-Journey-Israeli-Palestine-ebook/dp/B00B5NP808/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407678048&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Generals+son

Synopsis of the book -

In 1997, a tragedy struck the family of Israeli-American Miko Peled: His beloved niece Smadar was killed by a suicide bomber in Jerusalem. That tragedy propelled Peled onto a journey of discovery. It pushed him to re-examine many of the beliefs he had grown up with, as the son and grandson of leading figures in Israel's political-military elite, and transformed him into a courageous and visionary activist in the struggle for human rights and a hopeful, lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians. Esteemed African-American author Alice Walker has contributed a very moving and thoughtful Foreword to The General's Son.
The journey that Peled traces in this groundbreaking memoir echoed the trajectory taken 40 years earlier by his father, renowned Israeli general Matti Peled. In The General's Son, Miko Peled tells us about growing up in Jerusalem in the heart of the group that ruled the then-young country, Israel. He takes us with him through his service in the country's military and his subsequent global travels... and then, after his niece's killing, back into the heart of Israel's conflict with the Palestinians. The book provides a compelling and intimate window into the fears that haunt both peoples-- but also into the real courage of all those who, like Miko Peled, have been pursuing a steadfast grassroots struggle for equality for all the residents of the Holy Land.

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Getting really for three days in hell

by cookiemaster in

hey guys, there's another thing i wanted to share with you.

i know this topic has been discussed over and over again, but it's just so fun to complain about it.

we're going to the district convention this weekend.

Deceived

That is terrible, its abusive. I bet the big wigs, CO's. Bethel guys, speakers don't suffer in the heat. They probably sit in the AC when not out on the platform giving moronic talks about the New Kingdom. If the way they run the show is any indication of what the new Kingdom will be who wants to live there.

I have Multiple Sclerosis and I cannot sit for even 15 minutes in the heat even in the shade without having a bad attack and getting very sick and paralyzed. I guess I would not be attending any of their Conventions. Thankfully I am no longer a JW.

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How old were you when you left the Watchtower - SURVEY

by usualusername in

jw
friends

i believe that the older you are the harder it is to leave the watchtower.. .

i am attempting to get a list of ages people learnt the "truth" and what age they left.. .

uun.

Deceived

Raised JW from age 4 - baptized at 15 (under duress) - disfellowshipped at 18. Reinstated at 28 years old because I still believed it was the truth and I had 2 children who I wanted to save from Armageddon. Stayed in for 7 years but saw so much hypocrisy and lack of love so I disassociated myself in 1984. Never went back but still thought it might be the truth. Then in 2006 I discovered the exjw forums, especially this one and was set free with TTATT.

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Lifting the Veil on "Islamophobia"

by cofty in

the late christopher hitchens decribed the word islamophobia as "created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.. please take half an hour to read a fascinating conversation between sam harris and ayaan hirsi ali.. ayaan is an apostate from islam.

she fled to the netherlands in '92 to escape an arranged marriage and went on to become a member of the dutch government from 2003-2006.. ayaan is now a fellow with the future of diplomacy project at the belfer center for science and international affairs at the harvard kennedy school... she lives with round-the-clock security.. "some moderate muslims hate meand yes, thats a strong word, but i think what theyve said supports itbecause i make them feel uncomfortable.

the things i talk about put them in a state of dissonance that they cant live with.

Deceived

I read the article of the OP and found it fascinating. So Much so that I wanted to know who this Ayaan Hirsi Ali was. I got her book Infidel and am almost finished reading it. A must read to really understand Islam from someone who has lived it and left it.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention Cofty.

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When did the arrangement change from congregation servant to elders

by Deceived in

does anyone remember when the arrangement changed from having 1 congregation servant to the body of elders arrangement.. i have been out of the religion for so long i am getting a little rusty on the changes that happened.

i am writing down my memoirs and right now i am recounting my teenage years as the daughter of a congregation servant.

there was a big change in our family life when i was 15 because of the change in the arrangement.

Deceived

Thanks Blondie and everyone, I was still disfellowhipped at that time (from 1967 to 1977) so wasn't aware when it all transpired. I guess there was some other problem my Dad had because I know he was discouraged and frustrated with the politics going on (1964) in the organization.

I so wish I could talk to him now but even though he was disassociated and I was disassociated we didn't discuss JW stuff while he was alive because of my Mom who was still a devoted diehard Witness.

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When did the arrangement change from congregation servant to elders

by Deceived in

does anyone remember when the arrangement changed from having 1 congregation servant to the body of elders arrangement.. i have been out of the religion for so long i am getting a little rusty on the changes that happened.

i am writing down my memoirs and right now i am recounting my teenage years as the daughter of a congregation servant.

there was a big change in our family life when i was 15 because of the change in the arrangement.

Deceived

@Compund Complex, You said:

quote - I also remember they used to "rotate" positions every year, so P.O for one year, TMS the next WT conductor the next, and so on. This was disastrous, as guys who were not qualified in any way for the job found themselves in it, and the whole Congregation had to suffer agonies for a year at least.

Did the rotating positions every year begin before 1972? Maybe that was the problem if so. As most Brothers in our congregation at that time were all new in the "truth" and not qualified.

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When did the arrangement change from congregation servant to elders

by Deceived in

does anyone remember when the arrangement changed from having 1 congregation servant to the body of elders arrangement.. i have been out of the religion for so long i am getting a little rusty on the changes that happened.

i am writing down my memoirs and right now i am recounting my teenage years as the daughter of a congregation servant.

there was a big change in our family life when i was 15 because of the change in the arrangement.

Deceived

Thank you everyone for your help.

For some reason my understanding was that my Dad resigned in 1964 as Congregation servant because he didn't like that they were introducing a body of elders. I guess I have that wrong. My Dad did quit the whole JW thing around 1972 so maybe he knew it was brewing before or I got mixed up and it was when he quit in 1972 that the change among other things didn't sit right with him..

My Dad gave his whole soul to the Watchtower Organization, gave up his good job, sold his house, hauled us out to where the need was great and lived off of meager wages by cleaning stores part time. Then 6 years later he must have seen something was wrong. My Mom and Dad revived their spirituality after a year of laying low and became special pioneers for several years. Then suddenly my Dad just quit everything and he never went back.

I Wish so much he knew about the exposure of the truth about the truth now but expecially I wish I could ask him what was going on with him then.

I will have to revise my story and leave it open as to what was going on.

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When did the arrangement change from congregation servant to elders

by Deceived in

does anyone remember when the arrangement changed from having 1 congregation servant to the body of elders arrangement.. i have been out of the religion for so long i am getting a little rusty on the changes that happened.

i am writing down my memoirs and right now i am recounting my teenage years as the daughter of a congregation servant.

there was a big change in our family life when i was 15 because of the change in the arrangement.

Deceived

Does anyone remember when the arrangement changed from having 1 Congregation Servant to the body of elders arrangement.

I have been out of the religion for so long I am getting a little rusty on the changes that happened. I am writing down my Memoirs and right now I am recounting my teenage years as the daughter of a Congregation Servant. There was a big change in our family life when I was 15 because of the change in the arrangement. It was significant for my Father and for my parents spirituality but I can't remember what exact year it happened and what the exact changes were.

I am thinking it was 1963 or 1964? My Father had been the Congregation servant for 6 years and then he stepped down because he didn't agree with the new arrangement. He is dead now so I can't ask him about it but thinking there was a lot of politics involved and he wouldn't have liked that.