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  Am I the only one who felt sorry for adam and eve?

  by Joliette in

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  the witnesses always blame everything on adam and eve (besides satan).

  for some reason, when i used to look at the my book and bible stories when i was little, i used to feel bad for adam and eve?

  its kinda like getting mad at a baby for making a mistake.

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  simon17

  Forget Adam and Eve... Balaam and Pilot got SHAFTED.
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  To the theists: Your reaction if God hypothetically changed the standards of right and wrong

  by simon17 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have more to say on this and its implications, but i'll keep this short to get some initial discussion.

  to those that believe in god, suppose he were to hypothetically change various standards of right and wrong, suppose with the new scrolls to be opened.

  things such as rape, theft and immorality are now perfectly fine and acceptable.

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  simon17

  No, i didn't mean to mean the 'new scrolls' as per the JW theology, I just figured it would be a term everyone would be aware of, especially here. But thanks...

  So you agree the standards of right and wrong can change, which is intersting. So would you be willing ot do things like that if they were needed to change things again? Its an interesting question as to what you would do I think.
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  Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?

  by dattaswami1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  simon17

  I gave you the answer. Whether you really are willingly to "carefully consider" that answer is now the question. It appears to me, however, that you are not and so weren't truly serious when you made the statement. Unfortunately, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and took you seriously. My bad.

  No, your "answer" was essentially: people who are going through hell aren't getting help from God because all their pain made them not look for god.

  Thats not an explanation: Its a cop out (and a very cruel cop-out at that!)
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  To the theists: Your reaction if God hypothetically changed the standards of right and wrong

  by simon17 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have more to say on this and its implications, but i'll keep this short to get some initial discussion.

  to those that believe in god, suppose he were to hypothetically change various standards of right and wrong, suppose with the new scrolls to be opened.

  things such as rape, theft and immorality are now perfectly fine and acceptable.

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  simon17

  Not sure why you wouldn't just answer a hypothetical question.... why not weigh in?
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  Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?

  by dattaswami1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  simon17

  Given the definition of "tangible", dear S17 (again, peace to you!), I could never make such a statement. I can say, however, that not all evidence is tangible, nor is tangible evidence the only reality. They only are to those who are limited... in their thinking... and ability to perceive beyond that which is physical.

  Well, fine but realize that you're limited from the Muslim reality. And the hindu reality. An a thousand other "non-tangible realities" perceived only by the limited.

  Dont fret though, its ok. You're still 1 better than me. I am limited as to all of them and will stick with the one tangibly evident reality that I've got.
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  Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?

  by dattaswami1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  simon17

  Its funny, I was having a conversation that went exactly like this just with a slightly different illustration, and sub God/Jesus for Allah. I mean, if it works for you, great... go with it. People all over the world, in every religion, feel the special hand of God/Allah/Christ/Vishnu/etc in their life and that it is the clearest thing in all the world. I see a equal lack of ANY evidence in any of these claims, but it makes all these different people feel good and protected and hopeful about life.

  Just please don't disrespect reality and claim there is equal tangible evidence to the doctor treating a diabet patient as their is in the God analogy. Please.
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  Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?

  by dattaswami1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  simon17

  Well, ok.

  I personally know someone that went through horrendous things as a child. I'm sure if someone had any sort of satisfactory answer that person would listen.

  Suppose the diabetic showed up at the hospital but no doctor would greet them to answer the question. Instead they had to embark on a quest to find ancient medical texts with clues that could be interpreted by various people as to what the doctors prognosis of their current sweet tooth craving was. I mean, if you try to make this analogy fit, it would eitehr become beyond ridiculous or make the person "treating" the diabetic the most sadisitc doctor in history.
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  Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?

  by dattaswami1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  simon17

  I'm not sure that helps, no.

  If you say that God is simply not going to answer most people, fine, but the point is that the analogy by the original poster is WAY OFF BASE. Because the doctor a) will physically answer and explain the diabetic. And b) he will explain it to ANY diabetic. If he didn't, we'd call him a racist or prejudiced and he'd probably be ousted from medicine for malpractice.
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  To the theists: Your reaction if God hypothetically changed the standards of right and wrong

  by simon17 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have more to say on this and its implications, but i'll keep this short to get some initial discussion.

  to those that believe in god, suppose he were to hypothetically change various standards of right and wrong, suppose with the new scrolls to be opened.

  things such as rape, theft and immorality are now perfectly fine and acceptable.

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  simon17

  You imply that there is such a thing as absolute good and bad that completely separate from God and that even if God considered it good it would still be bad

  Incidentally this is one of the points I had planned on making as I heard answers. People seem to poke holes at the athiest for having no basis for a standard of right or wrong if not from god. But really, God has nothing to do with it for religious people either.
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  To the theists: Your reaction if God hypothetically changed the standards of right and wrong

  by simon17 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have more to say on this and its implications, but i'll keep this short to get some initial discussion.

  to those that believe in god, suppose he were to hypothetically change various standards of right and wrong, suppose with the new scrolls to be opened.

  things such as rape, theft and immorality are now perfectly fine and acceptable.

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  simon17

  Who cares if its against someone's will? Everything religious thing you do in your life is against SOMEBODIES will, somewhere in the Earth. Maybe your next door neighbor or a Muslim extremist.

  And furthermore, you are saying that God physically cannot change his standard of right or wrong on that matter?