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  Catching the Manipulation in Sunday’s Watchtower Article

  by Butterflyleia85 in

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  inspired by many on jwn board, my goal is to every sunday study the article and find the manipulative parts.

  if you would like to join me that would be great!

  we can then find them together and then find what the scriptures or insights truly means with research, our own understanding, or maybe how it should be interpreted to ones self.

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  1 Timothy 6:17-19 (NIV): "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life."

  Here Paul doesn't berate those who have money; he tells them to share with those in need, and to do a great deal of good deeds for others. He doesn't guilt or shame them about it or tell them not to enjoy hobbies like music or whatever. He also doesn't tell them not to get an education beyond basic schooling, which would be hypocritical, as he himself was well-educated.

  It wasn't having lots of money that was ever the issue; it was loving that money so much that it became a god to you, more important than everything else in life.

  Ultimately this is all about control for the Society, not really about 'running the race with endurance' or anything like that. Certainly Hebrews 12:2 is not talking about riches, higher education, or entertainment. Paul had spent a long time discussing the importance of faith rather than the law code and the visible Jewish system, highlighting how the patriarchs and prophets and judges showed FAITH and received blessings, not works of the law. The sin that was entangling so many Jews back then was their fixation on works and adherence to the Law of Moses rather than simple faith in Jesus Christ alone.

  One thing I've noticed since leaving the JWs is that the Society can take one or two verses out of context as a theme text, and build an entire Watchtower article that has nothing whatsoever to do with the original context of those one or two verses. So that instead of grasping their true meaning, now their meaning has been completely reinterpreted and the scriptures involved rewritten as something beyond or even unrelated to the original author's intent.

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  I have committed the worst sin several times this last weekend

  by Qcmbr in

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  jesus said that thoughts are as punishable in god's eyes as the actual act ( specifically lust but presumably this logic applies to all sins?

  this means that the greatest sins, the most heinous crimes , the weight of evil was not on the somme or in any war or any physical crimes.

  they are all today, in the age of premeditated murder.

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  Well, just from my days of playing 'Goldeneye' on N64 alone, I'd be considered a mass murderer by now, with that logic. And all those innocents I killed with a lightsaber on 'Knights of the Old Republic'? I mean, come on...

  Dang it! Why'd it have to be 6:07 p.m. as I typed that?

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  Is the Holy Spirit God Himself or a force like in Star Wars?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  Well, I think perhaps holy spirit is kind of like the Force in Star Wars, but obviously not in all respects. It is a force that only the divine (God & Jesus) can manipulate or give to others, and not something obtained by random birth as in Star Wars. I would think that, assuming there is a God as reported in the Bible, that holy spirit isn't just like floating around, binding everything together. It would be more like the power that set it all in motion and did it in such a way that conscious power is not needed to maintain it, the universe is self-sustaining, with cycles of birth and death just happening. Holy spirit, to me, is not conscious but rather something God speaks through, a messenger that carries out his will, but without a distinct consciousness.

  I guess I would say...it is God in the sense of being part of, or the power of, the Father, not in the sense of being an entity unto itself. Hence why it could be referred to as 'speaking', 'teaching', etc. But I've never really studied the concept on my own, so...I don't know.

  Also, 'Return of the Jedi' was awesome, dude. I happened to like the Ewoks. The movie kind of slowed down before they showed up. I mean, Threepio's story with sound effects? Wicket gettin' the drop on a stormtrooper? Come on! You can't tell me that wasn't classic.

  Also, I was thinking of that Ewok who got blasted by the AT-ST. And the other one was trying to get up and keep moving, and then turned to his pal and said, "Hanana? Hanana? Gwahte? Eeeeh..." That was pretty sad.

  Besides, it had WEDGE in the space battle! WEDGE!!! "Watch yourself, Wedge! Three from above!" "Red Three, Red Two, pull in!" I mean, nobody flew into a battle in all three movies EXCEPT Wedge Antilles. I'm sorry, but 'Return of the Jedi' holds its own. "You will find that it is you who are mistaken...about a great, many things."

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  CERN claims faster-than-light particle measured

  by botchtowersociety in

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  huh?.

  cern claims faster-than-light particle measuredgeneva (ap) -- a fundamental pillar of physics - that nothing can go faster than the speed of light - appears to be smashed by an oddball subatomic particle that has apparently made a giant end run around albert einstein's theories.. scientists at the world's largest physics lab said thursday they have clocked neutrinos traveling faster than light.

  that's something that according to einstein's 1905 special theory of relativity - the famous e (equals) mc2 equation - just doesn't happen.. "the feeling that most people have is this can't be right, this can't be real," said james gillies, a spokesman for the european organization for nuclear research, or cern, outside the swiss city of geneva.. gillies told the associated press that the readings have so astounded researchers that they are asking others to independently verify the measurements before claiming an actual discovery.. "they are inviting the broader physics community to look at what they've done and really scrutinize it in great detail, and ideally for someone elsewhere in the world to repeat the measurements," he said thursday.. scientists at the competing fermilab in chicago have promised to start such work immediately.. "it's a shock," said fermilab head theoretician stephen parke, who was not part of the research in geneva.

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  Parody: "Rather than being overly concerned about how our admittedly limited human understanding of these particles can be, why not marvel at the fact that our Creator, Jehovah God, has set these things in motion? Does it not humble us to recognize his awesome power?"

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  Weezer's new album cover - a WT picture?!?

  by weezer1 in

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  i'm a long-time lurker (and hopefully successful fader) who finally took the jump and registered on jwd.

  thank you all for the great information over the years!.

  as you can tell by my username, i'm a big weezer fan.

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  I remember seeing that album cover on the news and literally laughing out loud, as I knew they were doing a parody. I never did get around to buying that album. Should I, or shouldn't I? Hmm...

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  "Feeling sorry for yourself" about being hit by your husband is not Christian 2/15/12 WT Page 25 P 12

  by yourmomma in

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  have anyone of you read, the absolutly jaw dropping paragraph in this article about a women who was hit by her husband?

  its in page 25 of the 2/15/12 wt study edition (i read the dumbed down version).. .

  if there was any question, that the watchtowers stance is for wives to simply take it when their husbands abuse them, this makes it crystal clear.. who the hell is scanning these things before they go to print?

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  N. drew, you just brought up a very interesting point here. The unspoken message here, following your line of thought is that, from the WT point of view, (1) this sister attempted to teach a man, and therefore (2) she got what was coming to her, getting hit by her husband. The subtle lesson, then, is that she was wrong for trying to teach him instead of just trying to win him without a word!

  Forgive me if someone said that already, as I just picked up on the last post made here...but that's freaking sadistic, man! That goes even deeper than it already is, if that's what is being implied here! Wow.

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  I actually want to go out in service!

  by serenitynow! in

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  i really want my neighbors to see the latest issue of the watchtower.

  that is how bad that 2/15/2012 article about how to lure your worldly spouse into the cult, even if you have to take 17 years of beatings is.

  i think the people who get hooked in based on the less offensive public literature should see the offensive crap before they are indoctrinated.

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  sd-7 - thats just too good

  I know. I try not to think about it. It'd be too disturbing if I did, I might seriously dive off of something...

  "Beat me to the limit"

  That is sick, Quarterback, but hilarious. LOL! I hope this doesn't get me to thinking I should try and write a full article myself about this issue...because I'm starting to think about it a little too hard...

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  February 15 2012 WT on jw.org

  by Gayle in

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  scanned very quickly,, don't think i noticed anything about "apostates," there.

  i am thinking, was there anything in the jan 15 wt about apostates either??

  what a disappointment!

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  Nathan’s

  subsequent acts as a prophet show that

  he did not lose God’s favor.

  --There's the real point, right there. It's subtle--they're saying, without saying it, "Well, the Society's acts after our false prophecies show that we did not lose God's favor." Which is beside the point, as the whole point of the faithful slave being appointed was that it would either gain or lose God's favor in 1919, NOT based on what it did after the fact. (I know, Don Cameron said something similar in 'Captives of a Concept', right?)

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  February 15 2012 WT on jw.org

  by Gayle in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  scanned very quickly,, don't think i noticed anything about "apostates," there.

  i am thinking, was there anything in the jan 15 wt about apostates either??

  what a disappointment!

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  “ ‘See, now,’ ” said David, “ ‘I am

  dwelling in a house of cedars while the ark of the

  trueGod is dwelling in themiddle of tent cloths.’

  Upon that Nathan said to the king: ‘Everything

  that is in your heart—go, do, because Jehovah is

  with you.’ ”—2 Sam. 7:2, 3.

  As a faithful worshipper of Jehovah, Nathan

  enthusiastically endorsed David’s plan to construct

  the first permanent center of pure worship

  on earth. On that occasion, however, Nathan apparently

  expressed his own feelings instead of

  speaking in Jehovah’s name. That night, God instructed

  his prophet to take a different message

  to the king: David would not build Jehovah’s

  temple. The person to do so would be one of David’s

  sons. But Nathan announced that God was

  making a covenant with David to the effect that

  his throne would become “firmly established to

  time indefinite.”—2 Sam. 7:4-16.

  It's funny because this totally contradicts how they use this same situation with Nathan to justify their own false prophecies in the Reasoning book. Because it acknowledges by extension that the 'slave class' was expressing their own personal feelings rather than speaking in God's name about future events. And why would this 'slave class' be expressing its own personal feelings in literature that is supposed to be about teaching the truth about God's Word? Since it is well-established that they have done so multiple times, how is the individual supposed to know what part of the Watchtower literature is personal opinion and what part is coming from God?

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  More rancid meat lovingly provided by the F&DS

  by serenitynow! in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the 2/15/2012 koolaid there is an article about finding happiness in a divided household.

  i found this to be particularly offensive: .

  "when facing a challenge, it is important to seek scriptural counsel from publications of the faithful and discreet slave class and from the elders.

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  I think the title of this thread is enough to elicit a significant amount of laughter. Thank you, serenitynow!

  "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave, who his master appointed over his domestics, to give them food well after its sell-by date? Happy is that slave if upon arriving, his master finds him doing so. Truly I tell you, he will appoint him over all his perishable foods." And then Jesus, having carved the mold off his bread, offered it [the mold] to the disciples. All ate and were satisfied...

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