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  Anti-Apostate blog has fascinating articles, photos and opinions!

  by Terry in

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  the governing body of jehovah's witnesses has decided (oct., 2000) that the positions of president, vice president, secretary-treasurer, etc.

  in the legal corporations (e.g., watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.,) do not have to be filled by anointed brothers.

  therefore, all of the brothers that were currently holding these positions, all of whom were on the governing body, have resigned.

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  These people love the man and seem to read his books more then they read the Bible.

  The above was said regarding Ray Franz. Now I can't speak for anyone else, but I only ever read his books one time, whereas I've read the Bible four times and I continue reading the Bible. This kind of statement seems out of touch with reality.

  For whatever reason, the person writing this seems to be willing to look the other way as far as very real wrongs committed by the Society while justifying his own position by saying, in short, that the Bible warns against actually wanting proof for your own beliefs or testing your beliefs to see if they're right. It's more important to just shut up and declare a false view with everyone else than to risk 'creating dissent'. I'm sure the Society has time and again praised people who did that when the Catholic Church was involved.

  So, because a sociologist says that "apostates" need to feel better about themselves, therefore they make up stuff? How about that? When you boil it down, what this amounts to is a glorified version of attacking the character of individuals who happen to disagree.

  I'm very aware that many experiences Ray Franz related can't be verified by me personally; however, I can chuck every single one of them and use only Watchtower literature and still reach the same conclusion: there's a serious problem here, and it's time to get out.

  It's certainly a pretty strong attempt, but suffers from the same logical fallacies as the WT literature does.

  --sd-7
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  Why Does God Have an Organization?--Article in the Public Edition--Feb. 1, 2012 Watchtower!

  by sd-7 in

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  i'm very surprised to see an article like this in the public edition of the watchtower.

  it seems as though they are specifically trying to address the ex-jw criticisms, though of course, in their own limited way.. lies abound.

  page 26: "jesus organized his followers to witness about jehovah and to make disciples in all nations.

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  Your second paragraph above is what? Your thoughts, or the Watchtower?

  Sorry, N.drew, this part is the actual quote from the article:

  Page 26: "Jesus organized his followers to witness about Jehovah and to make disciples in all nations."

  I kind of harp on that phrase, but I should've separated the quote out from my thoughts.

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  Anyone see the cover of the February 1, 2012 WT?

  by sd-7 in

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  when i saw it, i immediately thought of that episode of 'family guy' where evil monkey becomes a jw.

  the cover photo is identical to what evil monkey had!

  hilarious.

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  LOL!!!! Classic photo! Must...right...CLICK!!

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  Why Does God Have an Organization?--Article in the Public Edition--Feb. 1, 2012 Watchtower!

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm very surprised to see an article like this in the public edition of the watchtower.

  it seems as though they are specifically trying to address the ex-jw criticisms, though of course, in their own limited way.. lies abound.

  page 26: "jesus organized his followers to witness about jehovah and to make disciples in all nations.

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  Okay, to their credit, they do mention "a small group of Bible students". No mention of Russell; I'm wondering if they really do want to distance themselves from him after all. Well, he is on the cover of that 'Out of Darkness' DVD, so perhaps not.

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  Why Does God Have an Organization?--Article in the Public Edition--Feb. 1, 2012 Watchtower!

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm very surprised to see an article like this in the public edition of the watchtower.

  it seems as though they are specifically trying to address the ex-jw criticisms, though of course, in their own limited way.. lies abound.

  page 26: "jesus organized his followers to witness about jehovah and to make disciples in all nations.

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  I'm very surprised to see an article like this in the Public Edition of The Watchtower. It seems as though they are specifically trying to address the ex-JW criticisms, though of course, in their own limited way.

  Lies abound. Page 26: "Jesus organized his followers to witness about Jehovah and to make disciples in all nations." Jesus told his followers to make disciples and to teach them all the things he had commanded, but he did not say to them "witness about Jehovah". Jesus told them, "You will be witnesses of ME." (Acts 1:8) The divine name was NOT a part of the message of the good news, as nobody was making a big deal about it back then. Only Jehovah's Witnesses make it into an issue, because it's their brand name and they need to deemphasize Jesus and emphasize the Governing Body's ideas.

  Page 27: "The modern-day organization of Jehovah's Witnesses began in the 1870's. A small group of Bible students began rediscovering long-forgotten Bible truths. They knew Jesus organized the Christian congregation to preach."

  Okay, first off, they were called Bible Students until 1931. Second, they "discovered" quite a lot of things that the Second Adventists were already teaching, and "discovered" a lot of [ahem] "truths" that they now very much wish to forget (and a huge portion of what they taught then would qualify as long-forgotten Bible falsehoods). And they were preaching AGAINST organization as late as 1929 (see January 1, 1929 issue of The Watchtower for a pretty scathing denunciation of the concept!).

  Well, I'd get into the Acts 20:20 thing, but...I think this Public Edition is starting to make me wonder. Are they trying to fight back against the ex-JW stuff that's out there? Intriguing. Much of this stuff seems to be written for Witnesses, not for the public. Like that article about adolescents questioning their faith--why would they put that in the hands of the public? Things are getting weirder by the second. I cringe to see what the Study Edition will be--should be out by tomorrow, I would guess...Any thoughts?

  --sd-7
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  When Your Adolescent Questions Your Faith

  by wha happened? in

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  2. beliefs

  has anyone seen this article in the feb 1st 2012 wt?.

  it's worth a look.

  lots of references to christians, rather than jw's.

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  They contradict themselves in the same article! Page 21:

  Questions From Young People Ask--Answers That Work, Vol. 1 says: "As long as your adolescent lives under your roof, you have the right to require compliance with a spiritual routine."

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  Anyone see the cover of the February 1, 2012 WT?

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i saw it, i immediately thought of that episode of 'family guy' where evil monkey becomes a jw.

  the cover photo is identical to what evil monkey had!

  hilarious.

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  Wait a minute--there's an article on "When Your Adolescent Questions Your Faith", on page 18. Here's a giant contradiction. Box on page 19:

  "Myth: Jehovah's Witnesses force their children to follow their faith.

  Fact: Witness parents strive to inculcate love for God in their offspring, just as the Bible commands them to. (Ephesians 6:4) Nevertheless, they realize that when a child becomes an adult, he or she will make a personal choice with regard to worship. —Romans 14:12; Galatians 6:5."

  Then later, on page 21...

  "The book Questions Young People Ask--Answers That Work, Vol. 1, states: 'As long as your adolescent lives under your roof, you have the right to require compliance with a spiritual routine.'"

  Let's review:

  Jehovah's Witnesses do not force their children to follow their faith; they simply "require compliance with a spiritual routine."

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  Anyone see the cover of the February 1, 2012 WT?

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i saw it, i immediately thought of that episode of 'family guy' where evil monkey becomes a jw.

  the cover photo is identical to what evil monkey had!

  hilarious.

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  Wow, there's some pretty graphic art in there. "Jehovah God has defended his people in the past", and a picture of slaughtered ancient armies and animals, then "Jehovah will defend his people again, during the war of Armageddon". Nice visual way of saying, in contradiction of what the jw-media.org site says (or used to say, if they took it), that they don't actually believe that 'only Jehovah's Witnesses will be saved'.

  Okay, I'm not here for critique, on to page 13...whoa, wait a minute! You faked me out, cantleave!

  Also, what the HECK is on pages 16 and 17??? MATERIAL FOR THREE YEAR OLDS?? Those rat-fink sons of building blocks....[name-calling, a common propaganda technique] Actually, by funny coincidence, I think I'm going to do a couple of 'Beast-Tower' articles on toddler baptism....so this works out. Unbelievable. What kind of crazy stuff is going on at Bethel right now??

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  Anyone see the cover of the February 1, 2012 WT?

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i saw it, i immediately thought of that episode of 'family guy' where evil monkey becomes a jw.

  the cover photo is identical to what evil monkey had!

  hilarious.

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  There are beauties on page 13? Would it be wise to investigate, thus exposing oneself to needless temptation? Evidently!

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  A lovely story of FALSE PROPHECY run amok on lovely real estate

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if i told you that some very famous people were coming back from the dead you'd ask, "who?

  if i then told you it was abraham, enoch, moses and david coming back to life in just 7 years from today wouldn't you say:.

  "great!

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  This is what always gets me about it. Even the New York Times had an article about what they said! I think I actually read in a much later Yearbook that, when Rutherford was asked about this in a public interview with JWs, he said that the 1925 belief "was merely stated opinion". I guess "stated opinion" is a better term than "false prophecy". The problem is, why would "God's channel of communication" be declaring "stated opinion" all over the world? I'm pretty sure it wasn't God's stated opinion, as it didn't happen!

  There be no end to the lies, here! Arrr!

  --sd-7