http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.
if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.
it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.
that slave has been closely associated with the Governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses
Come on, guys. Don't you know bullsh-- words when you read them? "Closely associated with" is Watchtowerese for "the same as". Let's fix this sentence:
"...that slave has been the same as the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses."
There!
--sd-7
http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.
if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.
it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.
Wow. Okay, I guess I'll have to pour myself a tall glass of something and dissect this one later. Quite a lengthy discussion, cedars, but impressive. I skimmed a lot of it, particularly intrigued by the insider stuff about Rutherford. What's funny is that even looking at his picture in the Proclaimers book as a teenager, I had this thought, "He looks kinda evil...like he would be a jerk or something." Even the JW recounting of the transition, in my mind, was deeply troubling back when I read it.
But...I don't know. I have a feeling this issue is going to spawn like, soooooooo many new threads. Ha ha ha...isn't it funny? The Society seems to have us as its most avid followers, in a sick sort of way. Maybe I should stop reading their stuff and move on, but...it's like a car wreck, man! I can't stop staring at it!
--sd-7
with cedars release of leaked watchtower new light "adjusting" understanding of "who" the faithful and discreet slave is.....i am struck by something which similarly struck me back in 1967.in 1967 i had just been imprisoned.
being a male jehovah's witness during the viet nam war meant certain "issues" arose affecting a decision to respond to the military draft.i have told the story before.
but, i'd like go at it from another angle in view of the above mentioned new light about the fds fora different reason.it was first in 1967 i began to discover that there are two watchtower societies.let me explain why i say this and for what reasons.first of all, anybody standing in a kingdom hall or sitting in a seat at a vast international assembly saw people they would identify as all on the same page.
When a "critical mass" of doubts has a head on collision with a PERSONAL problem inside the congregation the cat is out of the bag!
The time comes for a clash between the rational and the submissive.
You hit it right on the head there, Terry. I totally identify. I was always disappointed that few people were even able to discuss anything deep relating to the doctrine. To be honest, I don't think I ever really discussed any of the deeper stuff with anyone. I read the literature with interest, but definitely the doubts built up and I consciously swept them under the rug, and then a personal problem brought it all flying back to memory, along with a particular realization: there were people the Society was afraid of, so afraid that they didn't want JWs to even talk to those people. Why? And there it was. So true, man. What a great thread. --sd-7
gods word for us through jeremiah page 128 '..his mother bought a ram and a ewe.
he looked after them, and the ewe produced two lambs a year, so the flock began to grow..."early one morning while i was still in bed," he recalls, "i heard them bleating.
when i finally did, i saw a pack of wild dogs running away from my lambs, which had their bellies ripped open.
Dude. That's a very graphic story. Definitely R-rated. What?
Either way, I think there's a key difference here: if the elders were involved, they'd be trying to get a confession of some kind of sin out of the dying sheep as it was bleeding to death.
Elder: "So, what were you wearing when they attacked you? Where were you, exactly? Did you say anything to provoke them?"
Sheep: "Baaaaa..."
Elder: "Okay, uh, can you step outside for a moment? We need to...oh...we'll just step away from you, brother."
--sd-7
this is the parable of the faithful and discreet slave, put up from the three gospels, so you can see their differences (3 gospels out of 4 relate this):.
matthew 24:42-51: (prefered by the gb/fds/gb).
42 keep on the watch, therefore, because ?you?
It's a question, not a statement. Therein lies the problem with the Society's interpretation of those verses. It doesn't say "there will be a faithful and discreet slave", it says "Who really is?" Proving oneself to be faithful and discreet does not of itself grant one authority, especially not at the 'beginning of the end', as you haven't really proven anything at that point. The context clearly shows the suddenness of the actual end, and the need to be ready for that, not for the 'start of the last days' or something.
But if these verses were never written, anyone wanting to gain power would just find a different set to justify it. There you have it.
--sd-7
i often prepare quickly for the study in the jeremiah book.
there's no real substance, nothing challenging, so it doesn't take long.
the annoying thing is the direction as to what material is to be covered.
Like it's chapter and verse or something!
Well, the daily text is already using that sort of notation, last I checked. Might as well be doing that, I mean, right??
--sd-7
for over 12 years i have been summons for jury service.. each year i receive a summons and each year my physician.
send in my medical excuse.
don,t get me wrong, i would love.
As a JW, I was called to jury duty but I kept careful documentation so they couldn't call me again until the two years were up. My understanding, at least for my experiences here in the U.S., is that they get you shortly after you visit the Department of Motor Vehicles; whether you're registered to vote or not has little or nothing to do with it. So...probably I'll be summoned to jury duty again next year after I renew my registration on my car.
I never had to even see the inside of a courtroom while I was a JW, but last year I was put on a 4-day trial, but after it was over, I was told that I was an alternate juror and would not partake in the final decision. To be honest, it would be nice to have the JW status so I could refuse it, but not so nice if they decided to put me in jail for it or something. Besides, I guess people have to be involved in the process if it is to work even to the extent that it does, so...I get it.
--sd-7
speaker said we should not partake because when jesus arrives he will take the remnat to heaven and the memorial will be no more.
just as we will not partake then (because the memorial will not exist) it is only logical that we will not partake now.
warped logic at its finest!.
[Head explodes] WHAROOOOOOOOOOOOM!!-----
So we're not partaking now in preparation for the day when we will not partake forever! Sounds like WT logic to me! Obey us now for the prospect of obeying us forever!
--sd-7
looking at this thread by winstonsmith, http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/249671/1/notes-from-2013-memorial-talk-appreciate-what-christ-has-done-for-you.
made me think, how is the memorial celebrated in different parts of the world?
do they all fall on this year's march 26?
I bet the GB/WT/FDS will send a letter next year explaining how to read a clock.
Ha ha! That's worthy of a Beast-Tower article, for sure. 'Questions From Readers: How Should Christians Properly Read A Clock?'
--sd-7
today has been one of the most aganizing days since i woke up.
my family has been pressuring me to show up at the memorial for the past week.
it became very intense today with my dad texting me constantly to get me to confirm and when i didn't answer he would call my wife and then she would constantly nag me to answer my dad and so on and so forth.
Wow, dude! I got kind of a rough couple of weeks leading up to the Memorial myself, just of a different sort. Sorry to hear that. Nobody should be pressuring you to attend the Memorial. I mean, how absurd is that? They're insisting you attend a meal where you're not even allowed to eat! Who wants to go to that kind of meal?
They claim you're rejecting Christ, but you're just rejecting their version of Christ, which is a very limited one, one incapable of fully forgiving your sins here and now, one who apparently has to be offered gradually over the course of a thousand years so that everyone can be forgiven. As opposed to the real one who was offered once for all time for everyone's sins. So...no need to feel guilty.
Don't let them use any kind of incentives to manipulate you. The last thing you want is to give them any kind of leverage beyond their usual spiritual/emotional blackmail.
As for this one:
I watch her get into this sisters car that she arranged to pick her up and drive away with my one true love.
Music please:
I see you driving to the Memorial
With the girl that I love,
And I'm like, forget you!
I say the change in your doctrines
Wasn't enough,
So forget you,
And forget her, too!
If it's your spiritual wishes
To pass along dishes
Well, ain't that somethin'?
Ain't that something?
And though they're J's Witnesses,
I wish them all the best,
With a forget you! Hoo hoo hoo hoooo!
--sd-7
