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  A quote that sums up my thoughts on the truth about 'the truth'

  by sd-7 in

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  "we never make assertions, miss taggart.

  that is the moral crime peculiar to our enemies.

  we do not tell--we show.

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  But all apostates seek to draw followers after themselves!

  Really? News to me!

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  Can anyone help?

  by Pink sapphire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi, i'm doing some research, which many here have participated in and could do with some help.. on another forum some months ago someone commented that in a july 1992 watchtower it said that the emotional effects of disfellowshipping may last far beyond reinstatement.

  i thought this a really interesting statement and would like to include it in my assignment, acknowledging the harm done by disfellowshipping and its not just a protective and disciplinary process.

  i don't know if i believe they would actually go that far.. my problem is that i have no access to wt literature (i dont really want fo visit my old congregation library) and the online library on www.jw.org only goes back to 2000. does anyone here have access to bound volumes and a bit of time that they could check this out for me?.

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  Not at the moment but hopefully someone else will answer before I can. If not, I'll be sure to look into that tonight.

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  In All Honesty Would You Have NOT Given Blood To Your Child If He or She Needed it?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  as a "faithful witness", i never had to deal with this on a personal level.

  i imagine the pressure must be extreme with the elders and others "supporting" you to do the right thing.. do you think you would have given blood to your family member, especially your child if you were in that situation..

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  Haven't had to face that yet. I expect it'll be hell from the Mrs. if such a scenario came up. But I'd do what I had to do to save the kids' lives. Ironic. Without a blood transfusion, my wife would not have survived infancy herself, yet I suppose I'd have to fight her to give the same chance to her own children. On the other hand, she has the advantage of claiming her apostate husband overruled her, bastard that he is. So...there you have it.

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  AWWW the Joy of the Resurrection!

  by hamsterbait in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  imagine the heartwarming scene.. a mother who died of cancer in the wicked old system is resurrected.. oh joy, oh rapture!!.

  "where is my husband?

  "he didn't want the truth, so he died in the great armageddon storm.".

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  Right. I was wondering, since sin is supposed to be removed gradually over a thousand years, shouldn't that mean that people with deformities wouldn't heal completely at first? Or that people would still get sick?

  I assumed that either 'great crowd' survivors would have some serious, SERIOUS Post Traumatic Stress Disorders or that Jehovah would go all 'Men In Black' on them all. But if he was going to do that, why not just wipe Satan's memory and the memories of everybody who ever saw the big 'universal challenge'?

  Who says he hasn't? Maybe this is our fifth iteration of a 'Matrix Revolutions'-style system of things...

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  "They went out from us, but they were not of our sort..." - worst ever scripture to lead an anti-apostate talk?

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the program for the 2013 convention series has been drawn to my attention.

  here is a link to it.... http://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=pdf&output=html&pub=co-pgm13&langwritten=e&option=trgchlzrqvnyvrxf&txtcmslang=e.

  there is a saturday morning symposium on "apostates.

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  I love to underline.

  LOL! And who doesn't, really? Some people actually used rulers all the time. I preferred to have my lines a little squiggly.

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  A quote that sums up my thoughts on the truth about 'the truth'

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "we never make assertions, miss taggart.

  that is the moral crime peculiar to our enemies.

  we do not tell--we show.

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  "We never make assertions, Miss Taggart. That is the moral crime peculiar to our enemies. We do not tell--we show. We do not claim--we prove. It is not your obedience that we seek to win, but your rational conviction. You have seen all the elements of our secret. The conclusion is now yours to draw--we can help you to name it, but not to accept it--the sight, the knowledge and the acceptance, must be yours."

  --Hugh Akston, from 'Atlas Shrugged' by Ayn Rand.

  And that ultimately sums it up. I have no need to assert any position of authority or repeatedly demand that people obey me. I just want to present the proof and let a person think about that proof and decide what they will.

  I don't want JWs to obey or follow me. They don't even have to listen, if they don't want to. I wonder if they can say the same thing about the 'faithful slave'?

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  "They went out from us, but they were not of our sort..." - worst ever scripture to lead an anti-apostate talk?

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the program for the 2013 convention series has been drawn to my attention.

  here is a link to it.... http://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=pdf&output=html&pub=co-pgm13&langwritten=e&option=trgchlzrqvnyvrxf&txtcmslang=e.

  there is a saturday morning symposium on "apostates.

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  Well, this is the usual thing, isn't it? One isolated verse after another. On the plus side, no coherent, detailed argument will be given during that part--warnings not to listen to 'apostates' and name-calling will be the order of the day. This, if anything, is good for us, as it will impress upon the minds of the audience that we are dangerous in some undefined way. For the thinkers among them, this will stick, and maybe it won't matter today. But on the day when they're at their wit's end, they'll remember the fear as I did, and decide to open the door they were warned not to open.

  On the other hand, it will enable them to continue their abusive speech. To paraphrase Awake!, a good educator presents both sides of an argument and encourages discussion. Propagandists hammer hard on their point of view and discourage discussion. I, on the other hand, totally recommend for people to read The Watchtower in its full context and determine for themselves whether the writers of its contents are good educators, propagandists, or somewhere in-between.

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  Yet another "Shunning is good for you, honest!" quote in the June 15th 2013 Watchtower

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi folks.

  that's right, the new june 15th 2013 study edition is out now on this link.... http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/28/w_e_20130615.pdf.

  the following quote caught my eye, from the final study article on page 28.... .

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  IS IT proper to disfellowship? Yes, as we have just seen in the above article, God put out of his congregation those that were opposed to him and that were corrupt. He disfellowshiped them. He got rid of them, and he advises us to do so with such persons.--The Watchtower, March 1, 1952, page 137.
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  Yet another "Shunning is good for you, honest!" quote in the June 15th 2013 Watchtower

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi folks.

  that's right, the new june 15th 2013 study edition is out now on this link.... http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/28/w_e_20130615.pdf.

  the following quote caught my eye, from the final study article on page 28.... .

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  I was reminded of an old article from the '50s I read, that highlights just how sick this concept was. Here's the March 1, 1952 WT, page 134, paragraph 8--now this is how JWs are viewing someone who is DF'd, this hasn't changed, really:

  Such an individual has no place in the clean organization or congregation of God. He should go back to the wicked group that he once came from and die with that wicked group with Satan’s organization.

  "Go back and die". There you have it.

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  Yet another "Shunning is good for you, honest!" quote in the June 15th 2013 Watchtower

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi folks.

  that's right, the new june 15th 2013 study edition is out now on this link.... http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/28/w_e_20130615.pdf.

  the following quote caught my eye, from the final study article on page 28.... .

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  You know what? Somebody just spoke that into the speakwrite, man. 'Robert' probably doesn't even exist. Why else recycle the same exact experience from last year? It makes no sense otherwise. They should have literally thousands of these stories to draw from. Why use the same one?

  --sd-7