We have to add (1) looking at woman-on-woman or man-on-man porn and (2) in vitro fertilization if the sperm donor is not your husband. Gotta keep up, people.
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80The official list of things for which you may be disfellowshipped
by slimboyfat infrom the secret elders' book which states that the list "of course" is "not comprehensive".
nevertheless here are the acts that they deem worthy of specifying as being possible grounds for chucking people out:.
murdermanslaughter such as killing someone while breaking traffic lawsattempting suicidesexual intercourse with someone other than your spouseanal sex with someone other than your spouseoral sex with someone other than your spousesexual stimulation of the genitals of someone other than your spousedelay in reporting a rape?
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Governing Body Making Plans For Semimonthly Loyalty Oath Pledge Mandatory For All Bethlites To Avoid Further Leaks Of Watchtower Information Embarrassment....
by frankiespeakin inon april fools day..
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"In keeping with the Bible's requirements, I, ________(State your name), recognize that:
"Jehovah has one true organization on this earth today;
"That one true organization is known as Jehovah's Witnesses;
"Said true organization is directed by Jesus Christ through the faithful and discreet slave, which is closely associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses;
"Said faithful and discreet slave was appointed by Jesus Christ in the year 1919 to dispense Jehovah's truths at the proper time, in keeping with Matthew 24:45-47;
"I will obey and recognize the authority of the faithful and discreet slave and humbly submit to the direction of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses for as long as I shall live."
...And...print!
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GB member Anthony Morris in serious auto accident, accepts life-saving blood transfusion.....new light on blood to appear in August 15 Watchtower
by sir82 in...or maybe not.. .
what's today's date again?.
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If you want, I can write a Beast-Tower article on this subject and see if anyone thinks it's real...but then I think it would probably have some cut-and-paste from that actual WT article about why organ transplants are okay...awk-ward!
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He Is Risen, the axial component of christianity
by designs insunday hundreds of millions and possibly up to two billion people will join in some service in observance of the resurrection of jesus.
it is the central issue which takes the teachings of jesus from the philosophy of doing good to others to the ultimate truth which it claims.
it was the axial argument of the apostle paul in 1 cor.
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"Basara basara, deshi deshi. Basara basara, deshi deshi..."
"What are they saying?"
"Rise."
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Inquiry on GB 2.0 member - Did they get married?
by bats in the belfry init's been a while since we heard about their engagement.
did they break it off?
did they get married?.
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Is this an April Fool's joke? Aw, you guys! Thank you, you thought of me!
Seriously, though? For real? She actually looks a lot like someone I used to know, but that's definitely not her, she just has the generic, relatively young, I-would-probably-want-to-date-her-but-she's-probably-going-to-want-to-go-out-in-field-service-a-lot look. They'll be perfect for each other. Also, why is this our business again?
Also, why did I not date more women? WTF is wrong with me????
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Logical Fallacies in WT Publications
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Okay, this one is probably not an example I would have chosen to discuss logical fallacies, the quote in the original post, I mean. But then I'm just a doormat, so it's a moot point.
Anyway, they use an illustration about a physical disease, then relate it incongruously to 'apostates' who are said to be mentally diseased. False analogy, then, as a mental disease is not contagious in the same manner as a physical disease, at least not in the context of this discussion. Unless we're talking a sort of spiritual mad cow disease? I don't know. I guess you could argue that apostates are "mentally diseased" in the sense that they have an 'unhealthy fixation' on things like facts and truth. I generally like to know if Watchtower writers are maybe not being honest about the organization's history, teaching things that aren't Biblically supported, reading and quoting from apostate literature, sending people to their deaths. You know. So if that's my disease, don't cure me by any means.
The "disloyal teachings" of apostates should be easily dispatched with the "sword of the spirit", the Bible. Presumably, true Christians should have the cure to any such 'mental disease' that someone would threaten to spread if they really understand the Bible. Except that the Society is probably putting itself in the position of doctor here and insisting that its patients remain (1) ignorant of basic medicine and (2) dependent on the so-called doctor's expertise. No diplomas offered as credentials save invisible ones. And most definitely, never, ever, EVER try to get a second opinion.
Note that the Society refers to these "teachings" as disloyal. In the earlier paragraphs I'm sure they made their share of statements that such teachings are false, but using the word disloyal here brings a question to mind. Disloyal to who? To the writers of this article, of course! Because loyalty to them and loyalty to God are seen as one and the same.
Suppose a doctor told you that people you might come in contact with have a contagious disease. But he tells you also to never talk to anyone but him about this disease, never to get a second opinion from any other doctor, and never to read any books other than the ones he gives you about the disease. Also, he rarely if ever gives you any serious details about the nature of this disease other than that it's really bad and you should avoid it. And if you ask him too many serious questions about it, he then tells you you're infected with the disease and has you quarantined! That would be a more accurate analogy to use, would it not?
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New light Watchtower magazine leaked from organization weeks ahead of general release
by cedars inhttp://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.
if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.
it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.
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Perhaps this was an intentional means of confusing people.
I'll bet it was. Just thinking about how the 'higher powers' understanding was presented, so you don't realize that they flip-flop-flipped on that doctrine by separating the anecdotes about the changes--that's a good example of that. Kind of thankful for some of the links and data Randy Watters posted on the Proclaimers book--that kind of helped me to realize just how all over the place it is.
Yes, there is a certain irony in that situation, namely that the four directors were thrown out for wanting to stick to the "governing body" arrangement envisioned by Russell and now in use (albeit in a perverted way) decades later.
Right. So the apostates wanted a governing body back then, and there really wasn't one, but apparently the Governing Body was part of God's will...he just didn't figure it out until the mid-70s or so? Well...I know Jesus said that he had stuff to say his disciples weren't ready to bear at the moment, but...I'm pretty sure this is not what he had in mind.
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Arrghhhh just Shoot me!!
by BU2B inaargh just shoot me, my wife just came home from field service bi&*&ing about her friends inactive/faded husband.
the thing is he and his wife use the excuse that he is sick from irratable bowel syndrome.
however he works 50+ hours a week.
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Well...better to get it all over with, the way I see it. It's going to be horrible either way, why prolong it any further? You need to get out of there.
But...far be it from me of all people to recommend that. I was a schemer, I had plans...and look where that got me...
That said, I hope you'll find a bit more peace, though I don't see how as long as you're even remotely having to attend meetings. I can count my meeting/convention attendance on one hand over the course of the last year or so, but even that has been horrible and too much to bear. Trying to fade...I have to say, you must be pretty tough to handle it for a long period of time.
I do like how JWs bring you into their conversations on the assumption that you're in agreement with them on it all. Your story reminds me of how my mom was telling me about how a DF'd person she knows was going around saying hi to people, as if to say, "The nerve of him!" I just have to say, "I can't imagine what that must be like. What an idiot, really!" Except I didn't, I just found it amusing at the time.
Well...I hope you'll be okay, bro. Take it one day at a time and...do things that bring you comfort and hopefully it'll get better in time. You'll feel considerably better once you're out, though. That's going to be the best long-term solution.
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Governing Body Members Appointed By Jesus Christ And Not Men?
by frankiespeakin inthis is an unfounded delusion or lie either one take your pick.
blondie quoted this on another post and i'm pasting it here.:.
*** w01 4/15 p. 29 do you remember?
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They were appointed by other Governing Body members, who were appointed by those on the Governing Body before them. That's the reality. But they need to say otherwise in order to preserve the illusion of being special and chosen. Wonder why?
February 15, 1994 Watchtower, "Cults--What Are They?", p. 4:
Their devotion to a self-proclaimed human leader is likely to be unconditional and exclusive. Often these leaders boast of having been divinely chosen or even of being themselves divine in nature.
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New light Watchtower magazine leaked from organization weeks ahead of general release
by cedars inhttp://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.
if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.
it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.
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I always held the Proclaimers book in awe as a youngster, but the more I'm uncovering in my ongoing research the more I discover that
Watchtower's
version of events is almost a complete work of fiction - the type you would expect if the wrong type of people assumed power to begin with.
I didn't really hold it in awe, myself, but I did think it would equip me against 'apostates' who in my mind at the time, 'think we don't know our own history'. I figured that reading it would enlighten me on that history. Problem is just how all over the map it is--they include sort of timelines but their anecdotes are all over the place, so you have to look at a number of different pages all over the book to piece together a full story about certain events.
I was just reading the section of the Proclaimers book that discussed that whole shakeup in 1917 with Rutherford dismissing four board members. It is just amazing how dishonest that section is--at least compared to what those board members themselves had to say. I've been reading their response, that 'Light After Darkness' thing? They were saying the exact opposite, and given that it was abundantly clear that Rutherford wanted complete control, rather than sharing power with six other board members (and he changed the bylaws for that very purpose), it seems bizarre that the Proclaimers book actually accuses the other four board members of being greedy for power! And that sets it up so that anyone challenging Rutherford alone is challenging 'the organization'! It's very clear that Russell definitely did not want Rutherford to do what he did, and it's hard to imagine that it was somehow God's will for him to decide that he alone should run the show, especially if there was supposed to be a 'faithful slave class' like they claim, and not just one person.
Somehow it was considered hypocritical to the WT that those board members, who agreed to leave Bethel, didn't want Rutherford to step down as President, they just wanted him to share power with the board. Seems like a reasonable thing to ask for to me, especially considering that the Society would surely assert there was a Governing Body back then, but if Rutherford alone had all the power, then that's kind of a lie, isn't it? It seems pretty clear that the Proclaimers book accuses those board members of doing the very thing that Rutherford himself did--he wanted the power all to himself and persecuted those who disagreed with him. A common tactic of abusers, I suppose.
Of course, that said, even though to me, the Proclaimers book is outright lying about what went down back then, it would be hard to convince a JW of that. It's just interesting to finally get to see a different side of that era, and to really understand what, by Watchtower logic, Jesus himself would have observed in the process of his 'inspection'.
But...history, it is said, is often written by the victors, using the term rather loosely in this case. And since the JWs throw out anyone who dissents, there's no way to learn both sides of the story without going outside the JW box.
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