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  Ever consider joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

  by rawe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anyone here left jehovah's witnesses to join the churuch of jesus christ of latter-day saints?

  what was your motivation for doing so and how has it worked out?.

  if you haven't joined the lds or considered it, as an ex-jw, what is your general view of the lds faith?.

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  Maybe 12 years ago, I had feelings for a Mormon woman and decided to look into her religion. I read the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrine & Covenants pretty quickly. I tried my best to believe it but there was just no way to fake it, really. I was planning to join up with them but my mom put a stop to it, and I pretty much reprogrammed myself with JW stuff.

  Honestly, it seemed contrived to me. The only way I could believe it was if I wanted to believe it. The moral code appealed to me, the fact that they seemed to encourage marriage and family and even seemed to have a special sort of interest in young adults--heck, I even studied with two female missionaries at the time. Of course, I think they were just 'love-bombing' me at the time, so it probably seemed cooler than it actually was.

  Still, learning about their faith gave me a sort of respect for them. Not knowing the darker side of it all probably helps, too. But they seem less controlling than JWs to me, even though of course they fit much of the same criteria for a group that uses destructive social influence on its members.

  On the plus side, it was learning about them that made me start to become more keenly aware of what was wrong with the JWs--mainly their inability to be honest when talking about other groups.

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  what do you say when a jw asks if you are back?

  by losingit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i thought i sent a goodbye message on fb to two jdubs that i used to hang out with.

  it sounded like goodbye to me, without saying goodbye.

  here's what i wrote:.

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  If someone asks: "Are you back?"

  You might say: "Perhaps you have the wrong number. Mr./Ms. Back does not live here."

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  The Governing Body Know What Makes Jehovah Sad :(, Happy :), Tired zzzzz, And Other Deep Feelings

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  well did you notice how these guys on the governing body seems to know such intimate things about jehovah like what he's thinking, what makes him sad/happy and yet they never even personally met the guy, because he is completely invisible except for those that claim to have seen him.

  in other words they claim no direct communication with the corporate deity but claim to know his intimate feeling based on the study of an ancient text where writers claim direct inspiration and expression of the deity.. could these just be projections of their own thinking and feeling processes onto the corporate deity?

  most likely.. isaiah 42:14-16.

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  Someone here wisely said that basically, Jehovah is a sock puppet for the Watchtower. They stick their hand in, and he feels, says, and thinks whatever they want him to feel, say, and think.

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  Jehovah in the New Testament (New NWT bible )

  by jhine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have just seen in the flesh , or paper , the new nwt .

  my witness friends were delighted with it showing me all the new features like the glossary of terms and explanations of the hows and whys .

  i did ask about actual content , acting daft not letting on that i knew anything about it .

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/183868/1/Bearing-Thorough-Witness-book-and-Jason-David-BeDuhn-quotes

  Ah. My old thread on BeDuhn's book again. The gift that keeps on giving...

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  If you told anyone what the AGM was about before it was screened in their cong, you could DIE!

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  among the inane fb comments i've come across about the agm, this one stood out as more inane than the most enthusiastic jw slobbering:.

  "before we start taking about what happened at the agm we must be absolutely certain that all the meetings are over.

  make sure that we are obedient in the small things ago that we will be obedient in the big things.

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  I believe there is some contention about that section. I believe some early church fathers believed that it originally belonged in the text and was edited out to remove the implication that Jesus tolerated adultery. The ones that asserted this believed it belonged in the NT though.

  --Ah. Very good, then.

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  What's with all the JWs unleashing the hate!?

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most of us here on jwn, while we can get a bit narky at times, can put forth intelligent arguments and sound observations.

  sure we can get bogged down with our opinions, but generally we back up our opinions with examples and evidence, and if someone has a different opinion with examples and evidence, we accept that without recriminations.

  that's what adults do.. so my question is, why in the last week or so, have a couple of posters claiming to be jws come onto this forum and berated, spewed hate and judgement, and in some cases verbally attacked members personally?

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  But...in line with the OP, this is just the common response when one's cherished beliefs are challenged. Whether JWs have a rational defense to offer or not is irrelevant; the point is, this is a belief system that affects every aspect of their lives. For someone to suggest that it is in error might even be frightening to ponder, especially for those who use the religion as a moral crutch or who have a great deal of investment in it as far as time, money, emotion and energy. I was the same way when confronted with challenges to my beliefs years ago. Nothing new about it.

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  What's with all the JWs unleashing the hate!?

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most of us here on jwn, while we can get a bit narky at times, can put forth intelligent arguments and sound observations.

  sure we can get bogged down with our opinions, but generally we back up our opinions with examples and evidence, and if someone has a different opinion with examples and evidence, we accept that without recriminations.

  that's what adults do.. so my question is, why in the last week or so, have a couple of posters claiming to be jws come onto this forum and berated, spewed hate and judgement, and in some cases verbally attacked members personally?

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  “What is involved in avoiding false teachers? … We also refuse to … add our comments to their blogs.”—(The Watchtower, July 15, 2011 p. 16.)

  Huh. So this was just an idle suggestion, then? That position is doubly untenable, as there are two major factors involved: (1) the expulsion of an ex-JW from the religion requires them to be shunned, and (2) their direct opposition to/disagreement with the JW teachings means they must be avoided like the plague.

  By all means, look up the quote yourself. You said:

  As far as it being wrong for me to post here because the Slave said so, show me where? If you do have such material, where these commandments?

  I have just shown you. July 15, 2011 Watchtower, page 16. If you believe this is merely a suggestion or optional, then based on the Watchtower's own wods, I have to conclude you are either not one of Jehovah's Witnesses or that you are a disloyal one. There are certain things that are suggestions--like maybe wearing a suit while giving a talk rather than a sportcoat and slacks. Not the end of the world if you ignore it. But this is definitely not in the same category by any stretch of the imagination.

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  What's with all the JWs unleashing the hate!?

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most of us here on jwn, while we can get a bit narky at times, can put forth intelligent arguments and sound observations.

  sure we can get bogged down with our opinions, but generally we back up our opinions with examples and evidence, and if someone has a different opinion with examples and evidence, we accept that without recriminations.

  that's what adults do.. so my question is, why in the last week or so, have a couple of posters claiming to be jws come onto this forum and berated, spewed hate and judgement, and in some cases verbally attacked members personally?

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  It does sound a bit hard to believe that a JW worried about a private message from an ex-JW, yet paradoxically ignoring the strong warning from the Watchtower about not posting on the Internet blogs of those who are 'apostate' is actually a JW. What, you're going to fall in love with the archenemy? I seriously doubt it. Finding the exact quote of what the WT has said as far as Internet communication with apostates is very easy indeed. Shall I? Hmm. I think I shall, for what it's worth.

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  Thank you New World Bible Translation Committee for removing the words, "mentally diseased" from 1 Tim. 6:4

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i want to thank jehovah's witnesses new world bible translation committee for changing the words, "mentally diseased" as found in the 1984 edition of the nwt, to "obsessed with arguments," as found in 1 timothy 6:4 in the 2013 revised nwt.. on february 6, 2012, david splane, the overseer of the watchtower's writing department received an open letter from me which i posted below especially for new posters.

  the topic of my letter was in response to the writing department's statement that ..."apostates are mentally diseased" in their july 15, 2011 watchtower.

  the 1984 edition of the new world translation reads:.

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  A welcome change indeed, though it will not improve JW tolerance of anyone else's beliefs nor will it change their attitude towards dissenters.

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  If you told anyone what the AGM was about before it was screened in their cong, you could DIE!

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  among the inane fb comments i've come across about the agm, this one stood out as more inane than the most enthusiastic jw slobbering:.

  "before we start taking about what happened at the agm we must be absolutely certain that all the meetings are over.

  make sure that we are obedient in the small things ago that we will be obedient in the big things.

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  Of course that no longer includes Jesus' admonition, “Let the one of YOU that is sinless be the first to throw a stone at her,” because THAT'S NOT IN THE nNWT!

  It was never part of the oldest manuscripts to begin with, and to my knowledge was never quoted in any WT literature probably for that reason. It's a nice story, but somebody made it up.

  Epic is the word you use to describe sitting in a building with no windows staring at a large video monitor for 3 hrs.

  Yeah, but more so if I'm watching a Peter Jackson film, like 'King Kong' or 'Return of the King'. Those were pretty epic, for 3 hours.

  So...if the organization does not claim to be perfect, then why is even a minor disagreement with their doctrine tantamount to insulting God? You can't have it both ways. If you're imperfect, that means at some point, you have to make a mistake or teach something incorrectly. Which they do, but by employing their own doublethink version of Magisterium, in fact let's just coin a term there, Doublethink Magisterium, they make it impossible to disagree, much less call them out on an erroneous teaching.

  Doesn't seem to make sense to continue engaging someone who accuses you of slander for recounting what they just studied in the magazine they claim to believe in word-for-word. But I get why you do. Problem is, more often than not, it takes something more than reason to wake people up. "Sometimes the mind has to discover things for itself."

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