Chalam, I looked up the 1 Corinthians verse you cite. What does it mean?
greenie
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So I did it - almost!
by wantstoleave intoday, i'm not quite sure how it started, but i voiced my concerns about the religion i've been brought up in since i was 3. my dad went straight on the offensive, though kept nice and polite.
i told them that someone can not be df for accepting a transfusion.
not sure why i started with that example, but nevertheless... dad said 'since when' and started pumping me for information, when, where, what...you get the picture and biggest one of all 'how do you know this'.
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Sad today
by greenie infirst, it feels so weird typing all this to strangers, but here goes anyway.. i suppose my jw had an epiphany recently because we had some really deep talks this weekend.
he was very kind and calm about everything, but he basically said he's afraid i won't be happy in our life together because of his jw lifestyle.
he says he knows a life with him isn't the one i pictured for myself and that he doesn't feel able to make the kind of compromises i would want or need to be happy.
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greenie
Heaven - can you tell me more about your story? Do you think you actually wouldn't have married him? I seems like I have a lot to lose either way. He is an amazing guy. I think one thing we can do is not rush into marriage to see how we actually work together. He hasn't been practicing the entire time we've been together, so I have no idea what he would be like as a JW.
Mouthy - were your daughters JWs? You say, "...so in the end had to obey their husband every whim..." but I don't feel I have to obey anyone, just because and definitely not because of their gender. I hear about this headship a lot, but personally, I don't believe in it, so I wouldn't abide by a decision, especially if he said "Because I'm the man and I said so!" He knows that too.
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So I did it - almost!
by wantstoleave intoday, i'm not quite sure how it started, but i voiced my concerns about the religion i've been brought up in since i was 3. my dad went straight on the offensive, though kept nice and polite.
i told them that someone can not be df for accepting a transfusion.
not sure why i started with that example, but nevertheless... dad said 'since when' and started pumping me for information, when, where, what...you get the picture and biggest one of all 'how do you know this'.
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greenie
I can't imagine not celebrating my baby's birth. As long as you do it with the right intention, I think. I'm in part celebrating the passage of another wonderful year that God has given to our baby and us. You don't have to do anything extravagant, either, but I think it's great to have a special day for your kids.
May I ask what the history with the father is? Is he still in the picture? A JW? I ask because I'm in a mixed relationship (me never a JW, him born in and still in)
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Sad today
by greenie infirst, it feels so weird typing all this to strangers, but here goes anyway.. i suppose my jw had an epiphany recently because we had some really deep talks this weekend.
he was very kind and calm about everything, but he basically said he's afraid i won't be happy in our life together because of his jw lifestyle.
he says he knows a life with him isn't the one i pictured for myself and that he doesn't feel able to make the kind of compromises i would want or need to be happy.
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greenie
I think he really is just trying to be honest with me. I think he tried to compromise a little and so far it isn't working for him. We still have a lot of talking to do.
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Sad today
by greenie infirst, it feels so weird typing all this to strangers, but here goes anyway.. i suppose my jw had an epiphany recently because we had some really deep talks this weekend.
he was very kind and calm about everything, but he basically said he's afraid i won't be happy in our life together because of his jw lifestyle.
he says he knows a life with him isn't the one i pictured for myself and that he doesn't feel able to make the kind of compromises i would want or need to be happy.
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greenie
Thanks everyone. I've posted here before with questions, but so you know, we actually already have a child.
Wobble - I don't think he's subtlely trying to find anything out. He knows and I've very bluntly told him that I would never be a JW. There is no question about it. He knows some mixed couples and knows it can work, but that's it's incredibly hard. The problem with our convo is that he basically said he didn't think he'd be able to compromise or be a sometimes JW and wanted me to know that and go into any marriage with my eyes wide open.
I guess my sadness today comes from the fact that whether you believe the religion or not, the people in it are real, and many of them are great people. I love him so much and am just very sad from our conversation. I always read on here how it tears families apart and now I'm actually experiencing it. In almost every other single way we are so compatible. I know some of you have experienced this and so are quick to say run, but when it's happening to you, it's really hard to do that. It's horrible. I am just so sad. I feel frustrated and defeated and nauseous.
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Sad today
by greenie infirst, it feels so weird typing all this to strangers, but here goes anyway.. i suppose my jw had an epiphany recently because we had some really deep talks this weekend.
he was very kind and calm about everything, but he basically said he's afraid i won't be happy in our life together because of his jw lifestyle.
he says he knows a life with him isn't the one i pictured for myself and that he doesn't feel able to make the kind of compromises i would want or need to be happy.
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greenie
First, it feels so weird typing all this to strangers, but here goes anyway.
I suppose my JW had an epiphany recently because we had some really deep talks this weekend. He was very kind and calm about everything, but he basically said he's afraid I won't be happy in our life together because of his JW lifestyle. He says he knows a life with him isn't the one I pictured for myself and that he doesn't feel able to make the kind of compromises I would want or need to be happy. He still wants to get married and be with me always, but I need to decide if I could be happy in that life. He was very kind about all of this, not shoving it down my throat. I don't know what to do, but I definitely feel heartbroken right now.
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Does anyone think that maybe we're just wrong?
by paul from cleveland ini was disfellowshipped in 1995. even though i lost my friends and family, i felt like i had been finally set free and was happy for many years.
while i was a jehovah's witness, i always felt so miserable.
i never felt like i was doing enough to please jehovah.
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greenie
Ah, here's the UN letter. The WTS applied for membership in 1991, were granted it in 1992, and requested it be terminated in...1993? No. 1995? No. 1999? Nope. 2001? Bingo! Ten years later.
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Does anyone think that maybe we're just wrong?
by paul from cleveland ini was disfellowshipped in 1995. even though i lost my friends and family, i felt like i had been finally set free and was happy for many years.
while i was a jehovah's witness, i always felt so miserable.
i never felt like i was doing enough to please jehovah.
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greenie
I thought the same sort of thing about the UN example - maybe it wasn't that big of a deal and just really poor judgment. In an explanation the society gave, they said they didn't realize the implications of being a member and terminated their membership as soon as they did. HOWEVER, then I read somewhere how long they were actually a member - what I read was several years, maybe even a decade? That seemed like a longer time than necessary for it to be simply bad judgment. That's when I began to think it was hypocritical, too. Can anyone confirm the dates?
The argument about being God's chosen organization in 1914 is also compelling to me. The JWs of 1914 look a lot different than the ones today. Would Jesus have made that big of a mistake? I don't think so. If Christmas and birthdays and blood were wrong then, they were simply wrong.
The blood doctrine is also a biggie for me and I find it TOTALLY hypocritical - not a simple mistake - for several reasons. They say you can't have a blood transfusion PERIOD. But, you can have treatments that use blood fragments like to treat hemophilia. HOWEVER, in order to make those treatments, tons of blood has to be donated and stored. Now how the heck does that reconcile? Are you told to pour the blood on the ground if it's spilled?
How about criticizing the Catholic church for their pedophile problem, but paying off victims of sexual abuse within the JW organization AND not reporting the pedophiles.
Hmmmm, what else? Oh, the things they choose to condemn for pagan reasons. It's so obvious that they pick and choose. Like they wear wedding rings and shave, but both of those habits came from pagans. Then they say, well we do this because it's an accepted non-harmful custom (someone on here can point you to the WT that has these explanations), but you could say the same about all the other things they ban like clinking glasses, saying bless you, etc. etc.
Same thing with tattoos - it's not okay to get a tattoo, but it is okay to get a boob job. Heh? How does that make sense?
And I am like you, Paul, I'd like to give people the benefit of the doubt, people are allowed to make mistakes. BUT, they tell you that you MUST be a JW or never ever have heard of them before to survive Armageddon. Any org that's putting that strong of strictures on its members can't really afford to make that big of mistakes. To be clearer on this point, you cannot base your religion on the principal that you are right and everyone else is wrong, then actually turn out to be wrong about your own practices which you sometimes have in common the other religions you're chastising.
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What is the Conscious Class?
by greenie ini've heard reference to it and was just wondering what it was.
is it accepted or discouraged?.
yknot, you have a pm (killing two birds with one stone here).
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greenie
I've heard reference to it and was just wondering what it was. Is it accepted or discouraged?
P.S. Yknot, you have a PM (killing two birds with one stone here)
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Other Religions Compatible to JWs
by greenie injust wondering, are there any religions that exist that might be palatable to dubs?
i realize all of their teaching goes against this, but i'm wondering from an outside or neutral view, can you think of any that would work for someone who was/is a jw?
southern baptist?
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greenie
Everyone: thank you, thank you, thank you for seriously considering and thoughtfully responding to my question. I was afraid at first that I would get the onslaught of "it's impossssssssssssssssssssssssible!!!!!!!!" or "just be an atheist" and while I can understand the sentiment and reason behind both of those, they're not really for us. So, thank you again for taking time to think about this one. You might have helped other lurkers on here who would like to practice faith in a more organized setting, but don't know where to go. Or believe the line "where else would you go" that's taught at the KH. It looks like I have some research to do!!