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  Big Surprise!!

  by IronHill in

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  2. friends

  so last night i'm chatting with my wife about some things i had read on this site, when she dropped a bomb on me.

  see we have been attempting new non-jw friendships, to make our fade a little more bearable (in her case since she has so many jw friends).

  i have been trying to do this for her and told of a few i've found here, and on facebook.

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  greenie

  I'm happy for you and like others so jealous! I daydream about my man or his family members being on here.
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  What do you make of the Alpha Course?

  by boyzone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've recently been invited to attend an alpha course at my local baptist church and for the last 2 weeks i've gone along.

  its all been very amiable and pleasant until this week.

  the subject was "why and how should i pray?

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  greenie

  I agree with Tom. I think you should talk to the pastor on your own. You were asking a group of regular individuals, most of whom probably haven't even met a JW, a really deep question. Have you ever had that experience were people feel like they need to give you an answer, to say anything, just to be helpful, even if they don't have a really good answer.
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  Understanding the family issue!

  by ry.hans in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my partner has been diss-fellowshiped and out of jw stuff for just over ten years.

  its my understanding that family and providing is an important key to any religon.

  so why is it she classed as a bad association if she is family.

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  greenie

  Hi Ry! Just saw this and don't know if you're still checking this thread, but I'm a SHE and we may get married, but no way would I submit to the JW way. Those are THEIR rules, not mine. He'll have to live with that if he wants to marry me. Plain and simple. It's hard, but you can't let yourself get sucked into it.
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  I have finally figured ot how a lot of JWs gain more members besides having more kids...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've noticed that when a bible study is conducted, when worldly people have questions a lot of jws say that there question is covered later in the book.

  that way, the worldlys get stopped in there tracks all the while feeling like there questions are getting answered while the assimilation takes place.. they either forget there question or the book tells them what the answer is without either giving them biblical proof or twisting scriptures.

  i've noticed a lot of paragraphs in books just telling people what the answer is without scriptures or saying something like, "surely it would make sense that...".

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  greenie

  Just speaking in numbers, it also annoys me to see those guys with the clickers come by and count me for being in attendance at the memorial or convention. I am 100% not a JW and never will be, but I still get added to their supporting numbers.
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  I knew this day would come

  by Girlie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just when i thought i could be successful in my fade and out of the radar, an elder from my old congregation has started the search and rescue mission on me.

  he and his wife came to my parents' home yesterday looking for me.

  thank god i wasn't there.

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  greenie

  Holy crap! I am listening to Hobo Ken's hearing. This is INTENSE!! No wonder all of you guys want to avoid these things like the plague. What a high control group! Too bad more can't hear this. WOW.
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  i don't belive in anything! you hear me? nothing!!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've noticed recently as i make more and more freinds that are non jw, that i seem to want to reassure them that i hold no religous views at all.. it almost as if i fear they can tell i was once a devout jw.... trouble is noone talks about religon unless they are interested in it do they?

  and i don't want to loose my freinds.

  oh dear i need help!

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  greenie

  Hmmm...sort of, but from a different angle. When I first got involved with my Dub everyone, even my closest friends thought I was converting and no one would actually ask me! Same thing, religion didn't come up in conversation so they never asked. When I heard from one that they were all talking about me converting, I brought it up with all of them to clarify and have been more thoughtful when talking about it to others. Maybe you could just say to your close friends, "Look, I know you know I've had this different religious past, I want you to know it's not at all a part of me now, and if you have any questions about it, just ask me."
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  How will the Watchtower change as OLDER MEMBERS DIE OFF?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the 'old-timers' generally carry a congregation.. .

  i grew up in a cong' with six members of the 'anointed' - only one remains, a lovely lady with genuine warmth and interest in people who is now in a nursing home.. .

  what happens when the depth that these individuals bring is lost?

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  greenie

  Please tell me this will happen in the next 5 years.
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  Your views of the headship

  by greenie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've heard a little about this business, but i'm curious as to what you all think about it.

  jw and exjw women - do you/did you believe it and abide by it?

  jw and exjw men - do you still believe it?

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  greenie

  Lady Lee, this is the exact kind of thinking that is funny to me: "He is taught that it is his responsibility to instruct the children spiritually and bring them up as JWs which rules out holidays and birthdays and after school activities and most sports. The beliefs of the wife if she is not a JW will be ignored. The WT teachings are the only ones that will be followed in the home."

  Maybe on JW island that would work. But the vast majority of humans on Earth wouldn't abide by that, myself included. I have no idea how a JW man would plan to actually be able to enforce any of that with someone who wasn't a JW woman.
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  Don't want to celebrate holidays even with my daughter...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i feel like its so much work, stressful, commercialized and since i never formed the habit of it i hate the idea of celebrating them.

  i wouldn't mind buying presents for my daughter on christmas and maybe doing a treasure hunt for halloween (i don't want her taking candy from even my neighbors) and things like that so she doesn't feel left out or like she's missing something.

  just something easy and informal...

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  greenie

  I agree with what most have been saying, and this is coming from a non-JW who has celebrated holidays my whole life. Holidays and celebrations are only as commercial as you let them be. We never had much money growing up, so all of our gifts were VERY well thought out for the person we bought them for on Christmas and birthdays. On Thanksgiving and Christmas, a big thing also was getting all the family together. Most of my very warm memories involve the kitchen. So many good smells and yummy things being cooked. You could totally start your own traditions, letting your daughter bake/cook with you, etc. If you've never made a gingerbread man, or even a gingerbread house, it could be a fun adventure for both of you.

  And I could not agree more with what BlueCanary said: "We would tell people that we could give presents at any time of year, but we never did." I NEVER see my Dub or his family give each other gifts. Just once a year on the parents' anniversary. Boy, that once-a-year thing sounds a lot like how everyone else celebrates holidays and birthdays.
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  Your views of the headship

  by greenie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've heard a little about this business, but i'm curious as to what you all think about it.

  jw and exjw women - do you/did you believe it and abide by it?

  jw and exjw men - do you still believe it?

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  greenie

  So interesting! It's just hard for me to read the scriptures, understand the "speak" they're written in, and glean historical context from them. I know that it's there, it's just very hard for me to decipher. Sometimes I feel like Paul sounds like a mean old man, then others, it seems like he is actually giving very specific instructions to a very specific group of people.

  I'm told the bible will never contradict itself. First, I don't know if that's true, but then, if it is, I don't understand how in Galatians they say in Christ everyone is equal, yet in 1 Corinthians, they talk about the headship and who is under whom. That would appear to be a contradiction to me, until you explained it so. Do you have some examples of where he is stating their practices and NOT giving instructions for how Christians are to behave? And is there somewhere that the letter Paul is responding to is available?

  Thanks for all this fantastic information.