Teel said: "It's a very special order item, most JWs don't even know about it. I'm sure someone here will be able to provide you with a digital copy."
It's posted on the message board at the KH near me. Yikes.
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Has anyone tried to prevent ex-spouse from training the kids as JWs?
by Michelle365 ini am at the point in my custody battle where i need to decide if i'm gonna "go for the gold" and bring religion into the fight.
my lawyer thinks i have a chance based on the parental alienation aspect of the religion.
i'm df'd and my kids are being raised to turn against me.
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Funny how brothers "MISS YOU" so much ONLY during the memorial and C.O visit??
by Witness 007 in11 months and 3 weeks.....nothing.
then one week before the memorial all the brothers start to ring and visit with the "we miss you....loved to see you there.
" same with the c.o visit.
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greenie
I've noticed that exact trend as well. Get a call or visit out of the blue and it's usually because the CO is in town or it's memorial time. When is the memorial? Next Tuesday?
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With Heavy Heart
by PSacramento insometimes we find a place and it feels like home, it is accepting and understanding.. then, sometimes, that place becomes cold and inhospitible.. when i first joined here i felt i have found a good place.. people like narkissos, leolaia and others impressed me with their knowledge of scripture and motivated me to learn more for myself.. others touched me with the stories of their pan and hurt, pain and hurt that i was feeling also.. i don't think i ever offended anyone with my views on christianity and if i have i sincerly apologise for that was not my intent.. but things change and sometimes home isn't home anymore.... this site had been invalable to me for my understanding what is wrong with the jw's relgion and the wt, it has strengthened my faith and belief.. here i found people of religon, faith and love.. here i found agnostics and athiest that challenged my views and made me question, they made me a believe via reason and not "blind faith".. for that, i thank all of you, especially the "jeff's" ( ak and alltime), i also say a special thanks to leavingthewt, many of his posts made me feel welcomed and made me think and be a better person.. chalam, bts, dd and so many others, i thank you from my heart for your kind words over these many months.. people like mary and sylvia and so many others filled my heart with love with their stories.. all the best to you my dear brothers and sisters.. .
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Are there Athiest apologists then? Serious, not sarcastic question.
@PSac, I don't post that often anymore for my own reasons (life's got me busy, my situation hasn't changed, etc., etc.), and I definitely see more of the close-minded nature you mention, but I personally always REALLY appreciated your posts and your POV. I think you often shared new ways to think of things and explain things that often made me more hopeful in my struggle, so I definitely hope that instead of leaving forever, maybe you'll just visit less often. Also, on the close-minded thing, it's probably not the whole group changing, rather it might be a few who speak louder and more often than others that make the whole place seem less tolerant.
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Interfaith marraiges and children
by garyneal ini just wanted to share this story with everyone:.
last weekend on saturday, my wife found out that field service was not being cancelled due to snow.
all week prior to saturday, my wife kept saying that she was going to swim classes with my daughter and i and actually swim with my daughter that morning.
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greenie
I just had to drop by to offer support. Haven't been posting as much lately, but really identify with this thread.
GaryNeal said: I guess that is just me feeling sorry for my wife.
I think a lot of people who aren't in the nonJW/JW relationship situation maybe don't immediately get that though as nonJWs who have researched the WTS we definitely don't agree with their teachings and think they can be detrimental and are misleading, however, no matter the subject, it really hurts you to see the one you love hurting. You love that person, you don't want to see them hurting. For me, it sometimes even magnifies the frustration/anger I sometimes have toward the organization because I contribute my JWs suffering to them. I know it's a very strange and complex situation, GaryNeal. I can totally relate.
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do you know someone who is disfellowshipped or not active who still talks of "truth" and is still judgemental ?
by looloo ini have only known one , who talked more about the "wicked system" and satan and how immoral worldlys are etc than the jws i knew who were still "in" and he ended up abusing my daughter !
still never gone back 14 years after being disfellowshipped , some local dubs take that to mean jehovah didnt want him back till his abusive past (as a jw ) had been found out !
do you know someone very hypocritical ?.
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greenie
I know several like this. It is really frustrating because many things are ok - things that even mainstream religious folks or moral non-believers might shy away from, but Christmas, birthdays, church, etc. are still big NO NOs. It makes no sense. And I should qualify my "things are ok" statement. I mean that there are some things for example, super heavy drinking, lots of sleeping around and one night stands, etc., etc., that these inactive people would do, but they wouldn't wish someone a happy birthday or go to a church wedding for anything.
Do you think there's a way to talk to these people and point out how it doesn't make sense? I'd love to reach them somehow.
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Worldly friends on Facebook
by dgp insome people i know to be jw's have worldly friends as facebook friends.
i apologize for my ignorance, but, isn't this supposed to be socializing with worldlies?
if so, it seems many jw's are simply ignoring what the wts says.
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The interesting thing to me is that the majority of JWs that I know personally that have FB accounts don't publish their religion, whereas a lot of nonJW friends do. And these are JWs that are very active. It seems really strange to me for a group that focuses soooo strongly on making converts, going door-to-door, etc. and don't seem hesitant to knock on your door and tell you about their religion to not publish it on FB. Why do you think that is? It really has always confounded me.
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New generation definition....has the Society "jumped the shark"?
by sir82 infor those who need a refresher, here is the latest redefinition of "generation" from the 4/15/2010 wt:.
understand jesus words about this generation?.
he evidently meant that the lives of the anointed.
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greenie
It might not be realistic, but it sure is fun to talk about! And I think Sir82 makes a great point when he says: "Many of their teachings have been shown to be demonstrably false, but at least had a patina of believability. ...But the current "2 overlapping generations really equal one generation" seems beyond the pale. I can't wrap my mind around any way to justify it, even if I wanted to believe it."
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 1-17-10 WT Study (PLACE IN CONGREGATION)
by blondie in(romans 12:4-8; 1 corinthians 12:12-28; ephesians 4:15, 16; colossians 2:19).
8:34,35.. comments.
4:15.. comments.
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Blondie said: "Who decides who is not part of "the great majority of Jehovah's people" who are not doing their best?
What does the phrase "full share" mean? Back in the 60's and 70's there was a quota set for each jw publisher of 10 hours a month, 12 magazines a month, 5 return visits and 1 bible study a month. There was even a large chart post at the front of the congregation. That is why "the national average" still centers around 10 hours. MS and elder appointments are determined by whether these men are maintaining the "national average." So was is their "best" and what does "full share" mean?"I was recently told by a JW that there aren't requisite hours for different positions. Is there more recent proof available of what Blondie says above?
Also, I don't get the "289,678 got baptized" thing. Are they saying that isn't a lot? And why do they particularly call on the men to make something happen?
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Some Great Books
by jgnat ini'm halfway through two books, and both of them together have greatly helped me understand why people are attracted to extreme religious groups like the jehovah's witnesses, and how these organizations manage to stick around...year after year.
i figure understanding why is the start.
if you are waiting for cherished relatives and friends to "see the light", these books might help.
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greenie
Hi Jgnat, I don't think I was here when you last were, but I've read a lot of your posts and others here have told me some about you (I'm a non-JW in a serious relationship with a lapsed, but strongly believing JW). Anyway, I posted on this a while back on the Charter for Compassion. I think it's pretty cool.
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Oh my god i'm about to pull my hair out!
by SeekingSanity inalright.... everyone keep saying over and over again ..you can't love someone without loving yourself first.
all people ever do ...even the ones that are in codependant relationships that are violent and upsetting say 'you must love yourself first' ...i've been told that all my life...'love yourself first love yourself first'.
that's like telling someone that doesn't know japanese......'you gotta learn japanese first!
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greenie
Besides, doing things for yourself can be selfish and unselfish at once. For example, I enjoy cycling and often go out by myself. This is the selfish side. At the same time, I know that by taking that time to myself, exercising, etc., that I am a better person to be around, more pleasant to my family, coworkers and friends, thus making it an unselfish practice as well.