Posts by ufo1

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Are JWs discouraged from seeking mental help?

by Kristina1972 in

my husband was raised in this religion, but was never baptized and does not go to meetings, although my mil is heavily involved.

although my husband doesn't practice his religion, he believes it is the truth and i hate asking him questions, because he is very defensive of the religion.

he and his mother, many years ago before i knew either of them, were treated for severe depression and hospitalized (at different times as a result of them going through divorces.

ufo1

Just this weekend my father was put in the hospital for mental problems/emotional breakdown. He is an elder and has been one for about 20 years. Today he is being move to another area hospital with an advanced psych ward. Would it be good for me to try and talk to his doctor and mention that the WT is a high control group? Maybe even give him a copy of Dr. Bergmans book Jehovahs Witnesses and Mental Iillness?

We all know that hearing nothing but doom and gloom and that every thing is evil and bad except the WT, and then seeing the WT let you down is very depressing. But woud his doctor know this?

I'm not sure what to do. Any advice?

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Favorite Ozzy Guitar Player?

by lepermessiah in

i was curious what some of you metal fans thought..... randy rhodes was a legend, but i like jake e. lee and zakk wylde too.. i was just listening to jake e. lee's band "badlands" - i know a lot of people didnt like jake, but were also comparing him to randy rhodes.. (if you like 80's metal/zep-influenced rock, that is a cool debut album).

jade's song / winter's call from badlands is awesome.

check it out on youtube if you havent heard it.. .

ufo1

Randy was his best so far. However I did like what Brad Gillis did with on Speak Of The Devil prior to him signing with Night Ranger.

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Dec. 15th WT - WT Skewed View of Love- Preach, Die, Suffer, Help our Own

by flipper in

jw
friends

well, they are up to their old tricks again.

trying to manipulate rank and file members views of what " real love " is again.. the title of the study article is " love that never fails " .

as my jw daughter so succinctly informed me a couple weeks ago that the most important way jehovah's witnesses are counseled to " show love " is by preaching the good news door to door.

ufo1

(Teenagers have endured opposition from unbelieving parents . Some have even been ordered out of the home, but they were TAKEN IN BY KINDLY WITNESSES . Others have been disowned. What enabled such ones to endure mistreatment ?)

So they admit that being disowned, ie. disfellowshiping, is mistreatment! Oops, I guess that when they do it, it's love. My Butt!

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Our Kingdom Ministry 2009 tells sick & infirm NOT to view telephone hook-up as convenient alternative to being personally present at KH!

by LUKEWARM in

i am feeling sick after reading the question box - it's so cold and unfeeling toward those who use the telephone to listen to congregation meetings.. .

the wts desire to control their weakest members - the infirm and chronically ill - by guilting them into "putting forth the effort to be personally present " at the kingdom hall is disgusting.. .

they are heartless bastards.... ________________________________________.

ufo1

Of course, nothing can compare to the benefits derived from being personally present at our meetings. Our direct association with our brothers results in "an interchange of encouragement" and helps new ones better appreciate the need to attend. When we are present at our meetings, we absorb far more from demonstrations, the elders are able to give us personal assistance, and we experience firsthand the warm love of the brotherhood. True indeed are the sentiments of one elderly sister who, after receiving a hug as she was exiting the kingdom hall exclaimed: "You can't get this over the phone line!" - Rom. 1:11,12

Elders are able to give personal assistance? We experience firsthand the warm love of the brotherhood?

I thought the Bible said that the sheppard would leave the 99 to find the 1. What is more loving, going to visit and care for the sick or inferm, or wait for them to come back and prove their loyality and then tell them "We missed you".

I'm all for the hugs and human contact as it is so important, however if some one is trully sick I don't want to hug them. After all you can't catch a bug over the phone line.

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Is there anyone here in FL?

by sonny60 in

jw
friends

good evening everyone... is there anyone on here from around deland, fl or daytona beach, fl that i can talk to please.. .

sonny.

ufo1

I'm in Orlando

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JWs: Dress Like a Nerd. You'll arouse "curiosity" per Oct, 2009 KM

by Open mind in

on this week's service meeting there's a q&a for an article about informal witnessing (tm).

the second paragraph recommends dressing modestly at all times so you're ready to witness at a moment's notice.

it even says that your neat & clean appearance may arouse "curiosity".. .

ufo1

Arouse curiosity, yet don’t draw attention to yourself? I can see how that all fits together.

Anyway, I know that when I see people dressed differently my first thought is “what are their religious beliefs”.

Babygirl30 – WOW!

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god im angry

by creativhoney in

jw
friends

ive been angry angry posting :( and im not a horrible person.

.

ufo1

Maybe it is a good thing they come here and ask for JC advice. At least here they will get a much more compassionate response than they would from another witless. I do agree that it is so hypocritical for them to be here especially since they would be obligated to DF someone else for being here. But if good copmassionate dirrection can possably spare one other person some hearthche then I say let them come.

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Need Questions

by ufo1 in

i used to post here a while back as 2112 and i am posting again.

i have continued to read but have just been too busy to post.. anyhow, over to past few years my jw wife has aced if the elders could "talk" to me.

i have always said no, only because i didn't want to bother.

ufo1

My whole idea is to have my family present if/when this happens. I will not argue with them but I will not swallow & follow whatever they say. I do want to have all my ducks in a row with documentation. Again I know this is not likely to happen and if it does I have no delusions about it changing anyones mind. However it could very well plant a seed.

Please keep suggestion comming.

Thanks much

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Need Questions

by ufo1 in

i used to post here a while back as 2112 and i am posting again.

i have continued to read but have just been too busy to post.. anyhow, over to past few years my jw wife has aced if the elders could "talk" to me.

i have always said no, only because i didn't want to bother.

ufo1

I guess i did not clairify, I am already Df'ed. (My unforgivable sin was to allow my df'ed best friend to console me when my mother died.)

So I am not worried about what they think they can do to me. As for my son, if he eventually decides he will shun me then he would make that choice weather or not I talk to the elders. As for now, he got baptized because his friends did last year, and he was being pressured by them and his mom. He and I talk and he does not, as of now, believe it all. And he sdoes not like treating people badly.

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Need Questions

by ufo1 in

i used to post here a while back as 2112 and i am posting again.

i have continued to read but have just been too busy to post.. anyhow, over to past few years my jw wife has aced if the elders could "talk" to me.

i have always said no, only because i didn't want to bother.

ufo1

Hello to all,

I used to post here a while back as 2112 and I am posting again. I have continued to read but have just been too busy to post.

Anyhow, over to past few years my JW wife has aced if the elders could "talk" to me. I have been out since '92. I have always said no, only because I didn't want to bother. I have met many elders in her congregation and they have been very nice and pleasant so I have no problem with then as individuals. My son was recently baptized and my wife told me that he made a comment at a meeting…”I hope that by my example my dad will come back”. I think she was trying to gauge my reaction, of course I gave none. So I am expecting her to ask me again if the elders could talk to me. I am considering saying yes. Not because I would ever go back but I would like to have a chance to make my stance known and some of the reasons why I won’t go back. I think if I did it this way by letting them come to me they can’t then say I’m attacking them.

I know it is probably an effort in futility but I figure what the hell. So here is my idea. I will tell the elders that I have many issues but I will limit our discussion to five to ten questions. These guys may indulge me they may not but it won’t hurt to try. So what I could use form the board, if you so choose, are some questions (and the supporting arguments) that if they actually look at may show them the errors of the WT. Some I have in mind are 1.) The Blood Issue, fractions, dietary etc. 2.) The child molestation issue, the court cases etc. 3.) 607 4.) I was also thinking about honest scholarship and in doing so use the Trinity brochure and checking all the references. Not saying if I believe in the Trinity or not but just focusing on scholarship and honesty.

Are there any other questions that would be good, and what order should I present and questions. That way if I only get them to discuss one or two questions the few I ask may make an impact. Again I know they probably won’t go for this but I am still going to try. Any help would be truly appreciated. Thanks much