I still have yet to see... I am with open ears hearing this debt. (ha Mouthy reminds me of my grandma, love her to death, she tells it how it is, she also though kind embaress me cause I'm so timid, she will stick up for me though I love her) (Geez that's why I kinda confused... she sticks up for me and talks to me and helps me but yet she still is a strong JW and will hide me from JW so she wont get into trouble) So I think when it come to your heart and knowing what is right and wrong we all have that, for my close family (mom, grandma, my sis and me) we stick together no matter what!! and no JW organization is going to pull that apart. (btw these posts frm yesterday didn't show up til today for me)
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Does anyone think that maybe we're just wrong?
by paul from cleveland ini was disfellowshipped in 1995. even though i lost my friends and family, i felt like i had been finally set free and was happy for many years.
while i was a jehovah's witness, i always felt so miserable.
i never felt like i was doing enough to please jehovah.
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Good News to Make You Happified
by Farkel inhappified is a real watchtower word(tm), by the way!.
if you want to give the wts credit for anything, then at least give them credit for their remarkably simple solution to every ill suffered by mankind.. it is a "one size fits all" solution and might be part of the appeal the wts has attracting people who have a hard time with reason and common sense.. they won't specifically tell you what that solution is, though.
if they did, they would even get less converts than they get now, and currently they ain't gettin' many.
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Thanks bunches TD!!
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New here
by goldensky indear all,.
i discovered this site only a couple of weeks ago and i already feel affection for you.. i am a 48-year-old woman and i live in spain, where i was born and raised, so i apologize in advance for my inevitable lack of style and possible grammar mistakes, due to english not being my native tongue.. i grew up in the truth and jehovah and the congregation have filled my whole life.
i've had little contact with the outside world.
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Hello Goldensky! I'm so happy you post... I enjoyed each and every word and agree with it all! Looking forward to see more of your posts.
Wow and your from Spain how awesome! One think I enjoy on this JWN is there is a verity of individuals!
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Good News to Make You Happified
by Farkel inhappified is a real watchtower word(tm), by the way!.
if you want to give the wts credit for anything, then at least give them credit for their remarkably simple solution to every ill suffered by mankind.. it is a "one size fits all" solution and might be part of the appeal the wts has attracting people who have a hard time with reason and common sense.. they won't specifically tell you what that solution is, though.
if they did, they would even get less converts than they get now, and currently they ain't gettin' many.
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"As for you, beloved ones, call to mind the sayings that have been previously spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, how they used to say to you: ‘In the last time there will be ridiculers, proceeding according to their own desires for ungodly things.’ These are the ones that make separations, animalistic men, not having spirituality. But you, beloved ones, by building up yourselves on your most holy faith, and praying with holy spirit, keep yourselves in God’s love, while you are waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ with everlasting life in view."—Jude 17-21, NW. ( I could almost turn it back on them, elders that ridicule and proceed with their own desires. (not saying all elders though I did see one elder that felt my pain and struggle he suggested a counselor when I got DFed, but I couldn't turn to him anymore because he stepped down from elder position) )
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Good News to Make You Happified
by Farkel inhappified is a real watchtower word(tm), by the way!.
if you want to give the wts credit for anything, then at least give them credit for their remarkably simple solution to every ill suffered by mankind.. it is a "one size fits all" solution and might be part of the appeal the wts has attracting people who have a hard time with reason and common sense.. they won't specifically tell you what that solution is, though.
if they did, they would even get less converts than they get now, and currently they ain't gettin' many.
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"On Satan’s side will be all the rest of mankind, more than 99.9 percent, even as we read: "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." That includes all the governments of the world together with their supporters, the commercial, religious and social institutions. Even the professedly Christian organizations? Yes, because all such that are friends of the world are making themselves enemies of God.—1 John 5:19; Jas. 4:4." (Thanks for the sources)
"If we have faith in the Kingdom, if we are lovingly loyal to God’s anointed King, we shall be glad to obey his instructions and arrangements through his visible theocratic organization. The Kingdom means tighter organization for God’s people on earth. This is vitally necessary if we are to stand up against the combined forces of the enemy and overcome this world. No one can go it alone, and the King will not go it alone with such an individualist. He goes with his flock, his organized subjects. If we refuse organization instructions, if we forsake the gathering of ourselves together to avoid organization and its obligations, where could we go after Armageddon? Will there be separatists after Armageddon who will each make himself his own society and live as a hermit in a spacious earth, avoiding human contact and preferring animal society? For anyone to forsake the organized congregation of those who are destined to survive Armageddon means for that one never to get past Armageddon into the New World and its theocratic system. Like Noah’s family, we must now get into the ark all together!" (That's exactly what they think; yes they say this but with all their errors, what gives them this position... I'm still trying to figure that out)
"This dedication to God must be made gladly and voluntarily. It is a personal choice and no one can make it for another. It is not a choice to be made under coercion either. One should not make such a dedication just to keep peace in the family or because one feels he is under pressure to do so. No one is compelled to choose the only way that leads to life. The choice is each individual’s personal responsibility. As Moses said: "I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction, and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring." And how does one now choose life? The next verse explains: "By loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice and by sticking to him, for he is your life and the length of your days." In other words, you choose life by dedicating yourself entirely to Jehovah your God, to obey him forever.—Deut. 30:19, 20, NW." (Yeah.... right .... no pressure. lol They get baptised and then what-o if they make a mistake get ready to not only reap what you sow but loss your family and your name is scarred for life! Sorry a lil bet off the subject I just had to vent at that statement. It's like they have got me to obey but it's because I want life, but what about the 'laws' JW put on you, you get punished for them too)
The Watchtower February 1, 1957 pp. 73,74-"This old world with its many systems of religion, commercialism and politics is doomed to certain destruction within the present living generation. Millions will perish with it because they have no faith. Only faith will enable one to conquer this old world and live on forever in the new world of righteousness. The inspired apostle of Jesus Christ wrote: "And this is the conquest that has conquered the world, our faith."—1 John 5:4, NW." (get why ppl say Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. (wikipedia.org) )
still looking but cant quite find the quote you did, (and would really really like too this one caught my eye)
"Do not think that one can believe whatever he likes so long as he leads a good life, or that doctrinal differences do not really matter. That is a fatal error. It is just that distinction that makes all the difference between one’s surviving Armageddon and one’s perishing along with the old world."
because they (WTS) say one can live a good life that death is the end afterwards. (am I wrong?)
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Breaking News: Big Trouble with the Watchtower
by Bethelite Elder ina couple of weeks ago, an ex-bethelite(10 years) by the name of mel smith was disfellowshipped.
i understand that he still lives in ny are and has a mortgage company.
evidently, he was hurt while serving at the farm and watchtower did some horrible things to him.
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Thank you BE for the update... And so so sorry for this awful even to happen to this brother!! That is so extremely sad. I feel so sad in my heart for hearing this. Like you said allot of ppl on this board just don't know how to respond to something so tragic. And it's hard to see if it's true or not when JW are warned not to go to sites. I know I am deeply moved by this! I have my attention on this topic more then ever. I pray to God for justices! Many on this board have gone through so much and some have a hard time dealing with it, far more then me I think. I find this place as a 'safe haven' sota speak.
My love and sympathy to this Bethal Brother!! Please keep us updated!
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Good News to Make You Happified
by Farkel inhappified is a real watchtower word(tm), by the way!.
if you want to give the wts credit for anything, then at least give them credit for their remarkably simple solution to every ill suffered by mankind.. it is a "one size fits all" solution and might be part of the appeal the wts has attracting people who have a hard time with reason and common sense.. they won't specifically tell you what that solution is, though.
if they did, they would even get less converts than they get now, and currently they ain't gettin' many.
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Wow thanks TD... geez and what was i thinking then! nieve... that's all i can say in a box....I know that's what they beleive can you find the article please or was that a talk.
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help friends urgently needed
by yellow inive had doubts for years had my mind opened and over the past year have decided enough is enough.
sick of the lies and double standards no longer believing in what ive been told cant even step into a kingdumb hall i just feel like screaming ive decided to d/a, best decision ive ever made a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders no more pretending to others finally free.
the announcement is being made this week.
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wow lisavegas420 thanks for sharing that one... (Deborah Layton puts it...)
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Good News to Make You Happified
by Farkel inhappified is a real watchtower word(tm), by the way!.
if you want to give the wts credit for anything, then at least give them credit for their remarkably simple solution to every ill suffered by mankind.. it is a "one size fits all" solution and might be part of the appeal the wts has attracting people who have a hard time with reason and common sense.. they won't specifically tell you what that solution is, though.
if they did, they would even get less converts than they get now, and currently they ain't gettin' many.
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Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. (wikipedia.org)
I guess I been out in a while what is genocide again...
and umm I think they just say "Armageddon will come and God will rule and solve all the problems with the paradise earth"
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The Moral Life
by Butterflyleia85 in"the moral life a thematically arranged anthology of philosophical readings, contains an unusually wide range of topics including religion, sexual relations, capital punishment, and genectic engineering.
steve luper and curtis brown have expanded the readings for the second edition to include full introductory chapter on ethical theory and a new chapter on terrorism.
new selections throughout the text include writing from confucius, hinayana and mahayana scriptures, walter block, and michael walzer.. the moral life features wide coverage of many topics; chapter introductions that describe the readings and place them in a rhetorical framework, a good balance of opposing points of view and end of chapter questions.".
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Try this book. It should be available at your local library.
Take Back Your L i fe: Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships.
Or the previous edition, Captive Hearts, Captive Minds: freedom and recovery from cults and abusive relationships.
by Madeleine Landau Tobias & Janja Lalich
There is some discussion of them in these threads.
- Recovery 101 - a possibility?
- Take Back Your Life: Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships
- Take Back Your Life - Chapter 1
- Take Back Your Life: Chapter 2: Seduction and Recruitment
(Black Sheep from another board posted)