it's ridiculous.
i saw this so much in my 44 years in the jehovah's witness cult.
whether it was elders, pioneers, or other people in the cult criticizing others for working too much at their employment or missing some service or meetings due to employment.
to add to my comment. My mom worked her A** off! She had two jobs to try and support me and my sister! She was depressed and I know that that stuff in the artcles got to her because she would have to work sometimes on meeting nights! That was not fair.
I believe strongly in being resonable and that shouldn't be printed at all. People have to servive and be praised for their hard work.
it's ridiculous.
i saw this so much in my 44 years in the jehovah's witness cult.
whether it was elders, pioneers, or other people in the cult criticizing others for working too much at their employment or missing some service or meetings due to employment.
It states on pg. 9 " The scriptures command Christians to provide for the material needs of their families. But if secular work consumes too much time and energy, it can rob you of joy in God's service . Some have concluded that putting first God's kingdom has meant SEEKING DIFFERENT EMPLOYMENT . No Christian should allow the FINANCIAL BENEFITS of a demanding job to blind him to the more important spiritual things. "
Haha that is a bunch of baloney!! I too have always found this retarded. And many of my old JW friends did too! I swear I think they print that stuff for their own amusement.... only the gullable bought into that or spiritual show offs using that as a means to get up on stage.
a new 'apostate'.. according to dictionary.... one who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.
toward the jehovah's witnesses.. shewww... it feels good.
weird i never thought i'd say that.. as far as my belief system... i realize they are still going to be based on my up bringing as a jehovah's witness (morals included) so i call myself a chirstian.. {gees it feels like i just hopped over the fence or something in the movie "village" haha}.
Thanks AlltimeJeff, TheOracle, leavewt, Newborn, Estee, jookbeard... you all have given good insight on to Jehovah Witnesses belief as have many others... Heartbreaker it's when you "see the truth about the "Truth" "... Jehovah Witnesses will shun you and call you an apostate... When they reconize you speaking against the Jehovah's Witnesses and no longer believe, You are an apostate in their eyes!!... When you preach your beliefs that is contrary to Jehovah's Witnesses you are an apostate!
i've stated this before on this message board but i was kind of curious about this and wanted to get some feedback from the group.
in particular, the ladies who are either current or former jw's.. about a year or so ago, my wife went with me to a church i was attending at the time.
we then later that morning attended a kh meeting.
At the time when I met her I was very tolerant of other peoples beliefs and respected their beliefs. I think I was a bit too tolerant in this regard. Not to say that we should not be tolerant of other people's beliefs, but if your beliefs are important to you then you should be careful to choose a mate who has similar beliefs to yours. In a way, I did not know what to expect, I kind of thought of JW's as Christians that just did not believe in Hell or celebrate Christmas. The fact that I had a JW friend who celebrated 'Friendship Day' on Dec 25 and my wife celebrated Christmas too made me think that JW's could be open to practice it in some form.
Many guys I secretly dated when I was JW was too, very respectful and excepting of my beliefs!
Sometimes Witness girls are desprate. Like I said we really just want a normal guy and it just seemed like all the good guys were taken. I was 18 and already my friends were dating getting married. There was none left. I just found out that this girl my sister's age (19) just married the guy I was thinking about dating (33). At the time I felt I wasn't spiritually strong enough for him. He was a pioneer and getting ready to be a Elder (going through the process called ministeral servant).
One thing that I would be scared of now is if I raised a child a JW is the blood issue and Disfellowshipment (if their friends at the halls had to start shunning her/him). I did deep research which scared me.... There are things I found out about the JW teaching I never knew.... I feel a little decieved as I was raised a JW. Now I decided not to go back.
It's good you don't judge your wife or hold her beliefs against her. Seriously her actions are alot to do with how she was raised. She is a firm believer and like many, almost all, they will not change that. My fiance for months as we were dating said, "Well if you need that, I don't want to keep you from your religion, I just don't want to lose you, I love you." "I feel like sometimes you are going to choose your religion over me." These were trigger words that made me realize I can't do this to him. I have to decide one way or another. If I choose my religion, I don't know how easy are lifes are going to be. I mean I have a hard time preaching "my religion" (my fiance still calls it my religion even though I don't go anymore) as of now, if I go back I will try, subconsciously, to turn him into a JW. I never would tell him this or admit to this but I honestly felt if I wanted to save his life that is what I had to do. So I needed to decide!
The other post I sent to you when I said "Don't tell my fiance... but Yes" is because he constantly to this day says "You wish I was a Jehovah Witness don't you!!" Jokingly. I'm thinking in my head, geez No I would have been stuck with the nerds and controling A-holes (not many to choose from). But then I start picturing this "perfect for me" Jehovah Witness in my head that my friends got married to... And my mouth speaks (thinking this alone is not good but speaking..geez even worse) I'm like "Well sorta but not really I'm glad I found you, if I wanted a Witness I would still be in and seriously they aren't as wonderful as you! You are respectful, muture, loving, fun, and I know you would never judge me!" Then he says "Well sorta?!? hmm ok" smiles and we finish watching are movie. What brings that on I have no clue, but he does that from time to time.
that fat, sloppy, nasty b*tch is the one person on this earth i cannot stand.
yes...i said it... i cannot stand my own sister!
the girl is bpd (borderline personality disorder) and so she technically is mentally ill - but it makes her a terribly vindictive and hateful person.
ninja your cracking me up... yeah babygirl30 I really hope you don't cause a scene in front of your niece lol that would look really bad... and then well I would have to agree with ninja on his comments...
that fat, sloppy, nasty b*tch is the one person on this earth i cannot stand.
yes...i said it... i cannot stand my own sister!
the girl is bpd (borderline personality disorder) and so she technically is mentally ill - but it makes her a terribly vindictive and hateful person.
Awww I feel ya girl. I know I kinda vented on here too. It's not like I am really a mean person but I just needed to let it out some where. It's ok. Some ppl don't understand. This is siber world to us not real. But if you want you can PM me sometime and vent all you want I will listen.
As far as your sister, geez so sorry you have to deal with that crap. Some people... well just know who you are and don't let her get to you. You seem to have good things going for ya, just repeat them in you head and smile. You are a better person when you keep your cool. Your niece will see it eventually. When she's older she will remember her sweet auntie that always cared.
come on everyone, let us reason on the trinity doctrine using the bible!.
you know there has to be at least 3 big long trinity threads on here per month... so i figured i'd go ahead and start one for november.. the bible says that there is only one true god who is god by nature, the only god who deserves our worship and prayer.
jesus taught that his father is god.
I'm still confused... I guess that's good from what I got from this (haha now I can die not from not knowing but based on my moral conduct and heart). It's like hell... trinity I mean. The trinity is to help discribe the bond between God, Jesus and HS but they took it literal am I mistaken? Like hell is a symbol for grave... right? Terms that help decribe the full picture.
i just became a member last week and picked my name feeling free because that is exactly how i feel free at last.
i have stopped going to meetings and field service about 6 months ago, and feel great.
there are jw's in my congregation who email me they miss me and are missing me at the meetings but i just respond that i am fine and taking care of myself.
Awesome! Welcome! :)
hello everyone.. after many months of lurking through my the worst time in my life and then not reading any posts since the website changed hands, i just wanted to say hello!.
all the stalwarts on here helped me so much through the worst times (born in, left when i was 34) i was too emotional to ever comment, but now i am ready to help others start to rebuild their worlds.. i just want to give all those doubters of that religion hope and help now that i have gone full circle- hence my user name.
there is lots to say, but i will join in and you will get to know me.. for anyone that is in turmoil with worry over whether to leave or not, i can empathise, but it will be the best decision you ever make!.
Right on! Thanks for posting! :)
i've stated this before on this message board but i was kind of curious about this and wanted to get some feedback from the group.
in particular, the ladies who are either current or former jw's.. about a year or so ago, my wife went with me to a church i was attending at the time.
we then later that morning attended a kh meeting.
GaryNeal, well I would say it was good! I liked my step dad cause he wasn't as stricted as my mom. My step dad had kids from his first marriage and well the holiday thing was interesting... mom and him came to an agreement and we had family get togethers during holidays where there was preasants and stuff but no holiday decrations. He said bad words and went out drinking but he took us to amusment parks, went camping, etc. as a family; mom took us to the meetings, gave us good morals, but let us know that certain things are a conscience matter.
We were fine, I think certain areas are more liberal then others. When mom was married to my step dad we lived in a small town in New York and the hall had alot of problems with teens getting into drugs and they said bad words. Back at home in Indiana up north they were strict, straight laced teens. Down where Indianapolis is you can find alot of drinking parting etc going on with the teens. So really it depends on how the local hall is were you live, and the area around you, city, small town, etc. I think that makes a difference. Some elders are more liberal then others and wont intervene as much with your personal life, others well and that's another reason why I moved.
