Posts by Heartbreaker

two phrases...first "the truth" whoever started that, is genius because when you started calling it that, heard it called that, referred to it as that...it BECAME that. Such a subtle mindfu*k that we all did to ourselves!

second would be "placing a book/magazine/brochure" We sold em, we left em, we donated em, we twisted arms to take em, and we snuck em into people hands. The last thing we did was "place" them. It's a stupid word to make us forget we were selling Paradise, and there was no cashing in.

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Short Intro

by ZeusRocks in

i can only say i'm new here in the sense i've just been able to join.

i have actually followed this forum for over a year now.

i've tried joing several times but must have been doing something wrong, so i thought i'd try one more time and it finally worked.. i was a born-in jw.

Heartbreaker

Welcome Zeus...glad you are out, in more ways than one. Good for you, living your life YOUR way! Glad to see you here on the board :)

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Cool Illusions

by Dark Side in

these are really cool.

http://www.youtube.com/user/brusspup.

a few of the best.... http://www.youtube.com/user/brusspup#p/u/3/laty3vxkrek.

Heartbreaker

I liked the pac-man one the best!

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Today is my 2yr Anniversary of being OUT of JWs - honoring it with a letter! (long)

by babygirl30 in

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today is my 2yr anniversary since being df'd - and my life has changed a lot!!!

this is a letter i wrote to my parents...i did see/talk to them in feb when i had my surgery, but of course as it goes, now that i'm 'better' - they are back to shunning me.

so this was sent to them both, so that they understood that despite all the jw bull ish, and how they are treating me now - i'm ok and happy!

Heartbreaker

I'm with Mad....it's so sweet, and so humbling of you to write that, and I enjoyed reading it. I'm just not there. I'm not sure I ever will be, and for THAT, I've forgiven myself.

I feel like I should be able to just forgive and forget and move on, but I can't...and that part is OK. I don't beat myself up over it.

Good for you, for being in the place you are, I'm sure it was a lot of work.

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VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!!

by brotherdan in

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so i was talking to one of my "apologist" friends, and he just got back from a mormon outreach mission in utah.

he was able to help a 17 year old mormon girl to begin to see the truth and was really excited about it.

he goes to these temple conventions and temple openings all the time to preach jesus to them.. so he was interested in doing that at a jw convention.

Heartbreaker

making making a play off the expression "If it's truth, it will hold up under ANY light...even new light" lol

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Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance

by man in black in

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i just heard this comment, and thought it was very interesting and that others might enjoy it !.

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education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

Heartbreaker

MIB - I love it....gonna steal it!

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Severe abdominal pain

by Heartbreaker in

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how come pain the middle of the night is always more scary than during the daytime?

i was woke up from a hydrocodone sleep, with pain in my very upper abdomen and middle back.

it feels like i'm just pumped full of gas and tightness and pain.

Heartbreaker

Mmmmm riblets....j/k

Thanks ya'll for your concern for me, it's awesome to know people I've never met actually care about me :) I've not had another attack since the night after the first one (so twice, two nights in a row) I've really got my fingers crossed I've lucked out.

Oh, and completely normal colored bowels. I know you were holding your breath with anticipation on that one ;)

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At a loss what to do RE: JW family and my kids

by 2pink in

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i have 2 small kids, ages 4 and 5 yrs and one on the way (via adoption!).

my husband and i faded/suddenly disappeared last fall, never to go back to meetings.

we outed ourselves and told our super hardcore parents/family members that we didn't believe it anymore, were choosing a different path etc.

Heartbreaker

2Pink...you know I adore you. I'm so sorry you are going through this, it sucks.

I too have lost all of my family, some because they shunned us first, others because I shunned first because of ugly history.

Still others have tried to just shun me, and not my kids and husband. That is the biggest disrespect.

My mother in law called me vile and horrible things, and my husband told her that "If you can't respect my wife, and the mother of these children, then you have no business being an influence in their lives. You bring nothing but disrespect and hatred regarding the person that I love the most in life, and that they love most in life. You change your opinions and your actions, then we'll reconsider"

She said "Oh, ok, but you are making a huge mistake, she will RUIN your kids"

She'll not be back.

As far as my kids are concerned, the don't hardly EVER ask about family, which were very close before. I can only express to you what we've discovered, and it's that they are perfectly happy not to have to watch their mouths around family, because when they do/did see them, they'd mention their real lives and the "offended" person would express dismay at their expression of how wonderful it was to have a birthday or whatever, they'd feel bad about their choice, and when the family member left we'd have to go into repair mode. It just wasn't worth it. That was our choice. The kids are OK with it, although mine are a bit older than yours, they seem to get it, that the JW family is judgemental, non accepting, selfish and angry. None of those things are qualities we endorse or promote in our house.

We are happier people OUT, and they know it. We emphasis that, not the loss of the family, but at what cost....the cost was actually a BENEFIT, in that we are happier, more accepting of differences, offer the kids choices and keep communication open on ALL things (and holy crap, we have teens too, so that's a doozie)

You'll have to make your own choices, and I know you will and you'll be fine. Lean on those that support and love you!

Lastly, I will back up what each and every person here has said regarding not leaving the kids alone with them. It reinforces their stupid rules, the kids will sense tension and feel badly, it opens up a way, almost a PERMISSION to speak ill of you, or around the subject of you by addressing your choices and life now. There is so much guilt and secrets and just negativity that could be promoted by allowing this. Even moreso since they've disrespected you and your husband by saying the things they have, and chosing the WT over you all.

Sorry this was so long, can you tell it's near and dear to me right now? Ugh. Hang in there, you know where to find me :)