True Sweeney. But some JWs are indoctrinated in such way, that they truly believe one has to have a full set of beliefs ready to fill the empty place. They quote: "Where would we go?" - forgetting the Bible said "To whom would we go", meaning to Jesus. So as a stepping stone, that site might have its place for some until they find the true freedom, as long as they don't push their doctrines in an unethical way.
Posts by teel
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14christianwitnesses.com
by minimus ini found the site.
does anybody know who runs this or anything about it?
it's pretty interesting!.
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Trying to remember a scripture about allowing men to interpret bible for us.
by wanderlustguy inthere is a scripture that basically says we shouldn't let men or a group of men interpret the bible for us... anybody remember what it is?.
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wlg.
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teel
Maybe Hebrews 8:10,11?
10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.11No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatestThis is a reference to Jeremiah 31:34 .
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Catch me up, what's happened in the past 17 years?
by restoretherepublic inhola,.
i left the wt 17 years ago and haven't looked back.. what have been the biggest changes, manipulations, doctrines,.
lies, etc., of the watchtower organization in the past 17 years?.
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teel
Inquiry: as I see it they're not intent on hiding them, but the separation of the two provides a very good control tool. The WT tries to walk a very fine line between appealing to the public, and tightening the grip on the followers. The separation of the public/study WT reflects this: they only publish the really heavy stuff in the study WT, but the public generally won't read those until they're mostly in. The possibility is there, but few use it; if you point out the cult-like secrecy they say it's not secret, yet as long as it's possible it's witheld from possible new converts.
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Something My GF Noticed.........
by ColdRedRain intoday, i was hanging out with my girlfriend and we were bored and cold, so we went over to my mom's kingdom hall just to show her what a cult looks like.
i was demonstrating to her how the witnesses use vague, emotion driven speech to try to conjure up the strong feelings in their members so they could control them easier, but i didn't pick this tiny tidbit up.
we kind of listened to the beat of the kingdom melody and we noticed something very odd.... the kingdom songs' cadences are the same rythmic cadences a hypnotist would use to hypnotize a person..
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teel
you need to play them backwards .... they say "SIMON IS GOD"
So there's a new song called "Dog sin o' miss"?
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Congregation "Bible Study" Comments - Week Commencing 14 December 2009
by LUKEWARM in*** lv chap.
14 pp.
160-163 be honest in all things ***.
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teel
Thanks for the comments. The title itself is deception - Be Honest in All Things - that "All" refers to anything that won't make the WTS look bad. As soon as it comes to protecting the Society, you are expected to lie and cover up things, lest you bring reproach to Jehovah's organization.
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How easy is it to pretend to be a spirtual JW?
by highdose infor arguements sake, lets say you walk into a hall where you are not known and introduce yourself as one of them, how easy would it be to pass yourself off as a fully paid up devout dub?.
i reckon i could do it even now, pull out a doudy dress, look misarble, say all the right things and thanks to jwn i'm in the know about all the most recent developments.
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teel
I couldn't do it, I'm not such a good actor. Even in my latter period of active JW I had problems fitting in with them.
Once we were in an other country, and my wife made contact with the local JWs there, and after a couple of happy greetings, and "innocent" questions (what are my responsabilities and such) the JWs visibly grew cold to me, and focused their adoration to my devout wife.
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January 2009 Awake - Where is the quote source listed?
by AdaMakawee ini just took my dog out for a walk and found an awake laying on the ground, all wet where someone threw it.
so i picked it up because i thought it would be worth a few laughs.
i'm absolutely stunned by the amount of statements they make, statitstics they quote without naming a source.
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teel
I only recently discovered the joy of looking up WT sources where cited - even if not cited, sometimes Google Books can help me. It's astounding how many times the context doesn't really support the tone of the article. At best the general conclusion is the same, only the presentation level differs, at worst it's completely opposite of what the WT claims it to say.
Just yesterday regarding an other thread here on JWN I read Josephus' passage about the 70 years, and found that it doesn't really supports 607, in fact he even mentions a 50 years period (which could well be 587-537). Now how come I've never seen that in any WT article?
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How Many Here Were Turned Down For "Privileges" Because You Weren't "Exemplary"?
by minimus inour odd body of elders would not allow the one person who wanted to mow the lawn at the kingdom hall to do this because he was not getting 10 hours in a month, he was only getting in 7. seriously.. were you ever told you couldn't have a "privilege" because you didn't measure up to their lofty standards?.
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teel
My field average slowly dropped from being a pioneer to under 5 because I got disheartened by the obvious lack of interrest, so they started removing "privileges". That got me down even more, so my field service slowly crawled down to a steady 1 hour per month By that time all I was accepted for was cleaning toilets, and they imported an elder from an other congregation to help out (we had very few "qualified" brothers). They gave subtle, and sometimes not so subtle hints that I should be reaching out more, technically the place was waiting for me. Once an elder told me confidentially, that the elders discussed my appointment with the CO, but the CO thought my FS average was too low, so he wanted to wait a bit more (I was already on the downward slope back then); and that he (the elder) hoped that maybe when a new CO comes he will think differently. Well, gladly he didn't.
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Crisis Of Conscience At Scribd Site.
by Bangalore inthe book "crisis of conscience" is available online at the scribd site.. ------------- .
bangalore.
link removed until ray is aware that his book is being made available online for free.
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teel
Scribd is a free documents service, much like Google Docs. The site is not responsible for the content users post (although they do monitor and remove copyrighted documents uploaded without permission), so I really doubt there was any sort of agreement, rather a zelous user digitized his version (or copied the pdf version) and uploaded to share with others. Although I appreciate the digitizer's intentions of sharing it, I still think that Ray deserves some appreciation too in form of monetary compensation.
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Why should God need a human organisation on earth?
by Dold Agenda inif i should ask this to a relative jw.... - why should god need a human organisation on earth anyway?.
what answer will i get?
any scripts that they probably will show up to support this thinking?.
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For an indepth discussion check the Does Jehovah require an Organization? article on jwfacts.com.
I try to put here some of the arguments from the Reasoning from the Scriptures book, and some of my own inane comments. I don't have the book in english, so no direct quotes now.
First the definition mentions: 'Jehovah's baptized witnesses don't join Jehovah's organization because of their birth or coercion." JWs imply that in other religion people are "born-in". I found that not true - although I was baptized as a child in a protestant church, I was never considered member of the organization until age 18, by my consent. JWs on the other hand baptize children even below age 10, and that automatically means joining the organization too.
The Reasoning book gives these proofs as to God has to have a human organization:
The angels are organized - Daniel 7:9,10 , Psalm 103:20,21 - no comments here, obviously the angels are organized in a very different way, for example I doubt they give in time slips.
God always gave instructions to his people in an organized way - here it talks about Moses leading the people out, the israelites and the priesthood, then He gave instructions through Jesus, and after that there were elders and was a first century Governing Body; for this last part the verses Acts 14:23 , 16:4,5 , Gal 2:7-10 are given. This is a very important part of their reasoning. But it neglects the fact, that even though an organization was always necessary (anarchy often just won't cut it), God only used the organization, it was not an integral part of His plan. This is why we can find a huge number of occasions when people went against the instructions given from the organizations that was supposed to be God's own, and they were blessed by God. The Hebrew scriptures are chok full of instances when the organization went corrupt and individuals were trying to put things right, because they knew God doesn't like it the way it is right then. After converting to christianism the apostle Paul didn't wait for orders from the organization, but went on to preach, and even later when he visited Jerusalem, he didn't went to the group that the JWs call "first century Governing Body": Galatians 1:17-19
The creation around us proves that Jehovah is an organized God - yep, so He must know the eternal human rule: "Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely". He sure didn't make a mistake to actually put men to lead other men - like blind leading the blind.
The Bible implies that the true christians will be organized Matthew 24:14, 28:19,20 - how can one preach the good news without organization? Well, like Paul did, as I quoted earlier. Hebrews 10:24,25 - where to lead others, if there's no organization? Well, how about doing literaly what that scripture tells us, instead of trying to force an organization into it? That scripture doesn't tell me anything of a need for an organization.