On the topic of "bless you" I wrote my thoughts a couple of times on the forums, because it just pisses me off. In my language we say "be in good health", that is not based on any belief and it's a sensible thing to say. But nooo, that's forbidden too. Why? Dunno... the reasoning in the Watchtower was because the english equivalent asks for the gods' blessings. That is all. Now obey!
Posts by teel
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32Are these things still frowned upon/banned?.
by zzaphod inthinking back, there were a few things i was told then, that now seem rather odd and petty.
i was wondering if these thing are common in the wts or was it just that my girlfriend at the time was a pioneer, and her father was an elder.
(so perhap a bit more "enthusiastic" than others).
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Artists in Societys publications are working under inspiration?
by donny ini saw this in a post from a watchtower facebook page.
a person asks about the discrepancy between the society's illustrations and the actual biblical text.
look at the response for some good humor.. .
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teel
Leo, I do not know anything about them, but I'm pretty sure he's for real. I knew such men too, they get to be elders the easiest. He's his own caricature.
I lol'ed at his comment: "Through my training as an elder and my personal study, we can identify apostates as those who show a tendency towards independent thinking, who question or whose comments may cause another to question the Faithful and Discreet Slave." He's in the spec'ops of Jehovah. I bet he's refering to whether one reads the comments word-by-word from the publications, or adds something extra.
LongHairGal: Back in the day when we were doing a bookstudy I would hear the stupid comments people would make: "the picture shows...."
We always had those comments too, and also hated them. It was encouraged too with questions like "And brothers, what does the picture on the left tells us?". It was just so stupid. It was a setup specifically made to fit the article, not a snapshot of some random action. What can it say? Nothing more than the article already says... But then there was always someone saying something like "by the positioning and the smile it's clear that the brother expresses interrest in the little boy, maybe he just asked him how he felt during the study." What the...? No, there's no "maybe he just...", it's a setup folks! Not a snapshot! There was no "spiritual discussion" before, there were instructions by the photographer how to stand!
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Status within the Org
by Luo bou to inhave you ever noticed that within the cong if your not a elder or ms you have no status.
you may be educated, successful and respected by your worldly colleagues but that counts for nothing.
any elder with the intellect of a flea who is incapable of having an intelligent conversation thinks he is a superior somebody 'cause he can parrot wt rhetoric.
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teel
Not to mention if you were to "reach out" Luo, she probably would have had to go working too, so less FS and all. I imagine you being "materialistic" enabled her to be a "good witness".
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JWs in the Noughties
by hamilcarr ineveryone seems to be making decade lists about their favourite books, cds, films etc.. what do you think are the most important, notorious, shocking, entertaining or unexpected wt articles of the last decade that anyone interested in jw'ism should have read?.
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teel
Awake 2000 6/22: Propaganda
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The Latest Parody of JWs on Youtube (you'll all LOVE this)...
by Tuesday inhey there everyone, so this is a jw parody in the vein of the hitler flipping out about things that's all the rage on youtube.
i think it's really clever and alot of the youtube apostates are already thinking it's one of the better parodies on youtube.
check it out though, i'm sure everyone will laugh.
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teel
Lol, I've seen dosens of parodies based on this clip, but his is the best for me. "It's ok. We'll join a flying saucer cult tomorrow."
What's with the november 5th, 2017 reference? Anything I missed?
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I search for friends
by sidex ini live in russia jehovah's witnesses ten years, i go on meeting where read magazines of 1930-1960 approximately.
we consider that 13 head speaks to romans about jehovah the god and jesus christ and that in it is not spoken about the authorities of this world.. .
whether i wish to learn there are still such groups which also read magazines.
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teel
No, there was no division in the US in the 60's regarding Romans 13. The same question was asked of Ray Franz when he visited Romania. By the nature of the question and the insisting on it I understand it's a teaching of your group that in USA there also was a big division. Here's the video, skip to about 3:30:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi4Zhp2ZJo8
There are people on this board from the USA who were JWs when the understanding on Romans 13 was changed, and they can give their first hand experience.
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Another question for Christians: 'No one comes to the father except through me'
by paul from cleveland inoften times the scripture 'no one comes to the father except through me' is used as proof that we shouldn't recognize an earthly governing body.
how does that scripture prove that a governing body isn't just part of the 'chain of command' leading to the father?
it doesn't seem to necessarily preclude the possiblility of an earthly governing body by itself..
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teel
There are many Bible verses saying that Jesus is the mediator between man and God. 1 Timothy 2:5,6 , Hebrews 9:15, 28 , Ephesians 1:7 , etc. There is no single verse that could even point that there should be a mediator between common man and Jesus.
Even if we accept the parable of "faithful slave" says what the GB tells us it says, that offers no basis of mediatorship. The slave was there only to "dispense food", not to reconcile the other slaves with their master. On the other hand, that same passage talks about an evil slave, who put himself above the other slaves.
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Hmmm...I have a question
by hmmmmmm inhi.. somethings seem weird.. for example - wages of sin is death - so if you sin you die, and if you die you have paid for that sin completely, so you have no more sin.
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now what if everyone in the world was killed - by a nuclear domino effect - in theory we have saved everyone .... any ideas?.
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Others have said before me several times: the most "humane" thing to do for a JW is to be a suicide bomber. It's the best way to save the most people. It comes from the argument you used. Sure he wouldn't get resurrected, because he killed, but by the price of his life he can save many others, and isn't that a most christian thing to do? He may be even resurrected because he was so selfless...
Hmmmm, welcome to the forum...
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I search for friends
by sidex ini live in russia jehovah's witnesses ten years, i go on meeting where read magazines of 1930-1960 approximately.
we consider that 13 head speaks to romans about jehovah the god and jesus christ and that in it is not spoken about the authorities of this world.. .
whether i wish to learn there are still such groups which also read magazines.
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teel
Sidex, you're not likely to find fringe JW group members here. You see, the vast majority of people was part of the main Jehovah's Witness cult, and they are either ex-members, or still in because of family, but severly dissilusioned. These folks are not dissilusioned by Romans chapter 13, so they won't even think about joining a group that is very similar to what they left. Moreso, the schizm because of Romans 13 was only prevalent in Eastern Europe, and most here are from Us and UK.
I recommend you http://forum.martorii.ro/ it's also a mostly ex-JW forum, but from Romania, and there are a couple of people from groups believing what you do. The language is romanian, but you can write in english too, probably most will understand. Or better yet, if your understanding of english is good, stick to this forums and read what's posted, because most of it is relevant to your religion too, and you may learn something useful.
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Has the WTS removed the 'offending' publications? Or just retired them due to time?
by AK - Jeff ini seem to recall the earlier versions of watchtower cd-rom containing books from the 50's and 60's [life everlasting in the freedom of the son's of god - babylon the great has fallen - etc].
i have no cd predating 2001 now in my possession - and looked at that one today doing research, finding that virtually nothing pre-1970 is there [except the revised/altered 'truth' book].. is my memory faulty on this?
could it be that they just 'retired' the older pubs innocently?
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teel
I have an 1999 CD image at home on my PC, and yes, that one had literature from the 50's onward.
The reason for taking them out could not have been because of space, text is compressed with very good efficiency, up to 20% of original size. Uncompressed you can fit about 150 Bibles on a CD, compressed that's about 600, or at least about 3000 normal size books. That's more than enough space to store all the literature from the 50's until present.