It does give me things to think about, thank you. I'm in my 30s and out, but I still sort of live like I'll never get old. It's not just cult mindset, it's something youg people (alas I'm starting to grow out of that period) never think about.
Posts by teel
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21Since millions now living will sometime retire.....
by YoursChelbie inif you bought into the lie that "millions now living will never die," has the.
realization that you will very likely reach retirement age, settled in your mind just yet?.
for instance, i never looked to see if there was a 401k plan when i was in the jw cult.
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ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE NEW PUBLICATION IS THIS YEAR?
by sweet inanyone know what the new publication is this year thats being released at the 3 day convention.
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teel
Terry, will number 12 be included because they are confident that noone actually gets that far in the book?
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WHY LOG-IN FOR JW.ORG?
by sweet ini just now noticed that there's a log-in thing for jw.org?
why is that?
and does anyone know what's behind that log in??
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Got to Mess with some Witlesses on my Vacation
by Cthulhu inso this last week i went to visit a very dear friend of mine about 21 hours away.
she is one of the two people i have had a major hand in helping to see the bullshit of the watchtower religion.
in any case, as we were driving through a neighborhood, guess what we saw.
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teel
Oh, sweet, you mean a christian admits its mistakes? Cool, let me see the Watchtower that admitted they themselves were wrong. It's either "statements were made, that were misunderstood" or "this magazine printed...". The first one is blaming the others, the second is using third person to dispersonate (is that a correct word?) themselves, like the magazine printed itself. Contrast this with many-many direct reference to the faithful and discreet slave that provides such nourishing food. Where is the admittance, that "WE, the FDS blundered"?
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Local cult puts up a show
by teel incelebrating jesus' resurection, they put up a singing - dancing flashmob right in the central square of the capital.
the song is about the "hapy sunday" when jesus was resurrected.
check out the video:.
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teel
Celebrating Jesus' resurection, they put up a singing - dancing flashmob right in the central square of the capital. The song is about the "hapy sunday" when Jesus was resurrected. Check out the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyXVjDyFtAk
Now make no mistake, this is a cult infamous for their leader's money greed, and shady internal politics. Nevertheless, seeing that video almost makes me not care about all that. I think there are so much JWs can learn from other cults. I mean come on, this event attracted 1300 young people, and they look like they genuinely enjoyed themselves. What similar can the WTS show? Can this be truly compared with the "memorial holiday"?
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Argh, this is just getting worse by the day
by teel ina few months have passed since my relationship with my wife took a turn for the worse.
yesterday i finally questioned her about what she wants as for the future.
i know she will always stick with the wts, no matter what.
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teel
Thank you everyone for your kind words. I am thinking of a marriage counselor, I think my wife would aggree to that. She visited a psychologist about 1 year ago, and she feels it helped her. I feel she is one of the persons who is actually better off in a cult then outside, and the psychologist only helped her achieve that to full potential - she says she's more dedicated to Jehovah because of those counseling sessions.
What I'm afraid of is that the psychologists usually don't understand what a cult is like - as far as I understood from books like Hassan's, it's not part of their regular training. So he will only think of it as a matter of religious differences, and would not see the depth of the matter in fullest, having not experienced it firsthand. Nevertheless it's probably my only recourse right now.
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What Are Some Of The Dumbest Beliefs JW's Have?
by minimus ini know there are a lot.. one belief i never understood is that blood fractions might be ok for a christian but not "whole blood".
to me the "blood doctrine" is ridiculous from a scriptural point of view..
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teel
if you want to have something in your house that a friend or a relative of yours died on along with false pretenses that your friend or loved one died for go ahead
This is the wrong story. Here, let me fix it for you:
I was once walking in a shopping mall with my friend. There was a terrorist attack, and the terrorist threatened to shoot me. My friend just in the last second jumped before me, and took a bullet for me, willing to give his life for me. The ambulance quickly got him to the hospital, and thankfully the doctors removed the bullet and saved his life. Since then I proudly carry the bullet on a chain on my neck, to be reminded every possible time for the great sacrifice my friend made for me.
That is the correct story. It's fiction, but this is what truly describes what actually happened.
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Argh, this is just getting worse by the day
by teel ina few months have passed since my relationship with my wife took a turn for the worse.
yesterday i finally questioned her about what she wants as for the future.
i know she will always stick with the wts, no matter what.
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teel
A few months have passed since my relationship with my wife took a turn for the worse. Yesterday I finally questioned her about what she wants as for the future. I know she will always stick with the WTS, no matter what. I only wanted some reassurance, that her obediance is not a mindless one, and she will try to see reason behind stuff. But alas no luck. As I found out, she will indeed follow them without question. She said if a direction would come telling her to move to a specific place, she would do it without hesitation. I have no idea where she took that idea from, but it kind of scares me, as it reminds me of the really extremist cults like in Jonestown. I see she would do it.
I also saw that I completely lost my wife . She has very little left of what she was a long time ago when we married. There were much-much less controling in our lives back then. Even though she's half born-in (from the mother's side), she had a pretty normal teenager life, she told me about it. Not a life of debauchery, but a normal, balanced life, with "worldy" friends, "worldly" music, some minor missteps that highlight the teen years, etc.
There is none of that left in her. She abhors even the idea of going into the middle of "worldly" persons (except of course for work or preaching) - she has "higher standards". She never listens to any music, except kingdom songs (plays them every day at work, on headphones thank God) and classical music. In our younger years we went together to rock concerts, for crying out loud, and it was actually her who took me to her favorite rock band concert.
I just don't know if I can live with her any more. On the positive side, reading some of your experiences here, she at least is half-respectful, she is generally a kind person even now to me, and she does what she can around the house. If I were a mindless drone I could settle for that, I know many women would fare worse in those areas than she does. But a marriage is supposed to be also a spiritual bond between persons. There can be not even a shade of such thing now.
I feel the WTS has robbed me of my younger years, and robbed me of my wife, killed her and replaced her with a robot. I sort of have a huge part in all this, as even though I knew fully well how mind control works, I played right into those bastard GB's hand with my behaviour. I just can't play along like all is fine, and drop tiny droplets of doubt to her. It's just not my style. Now I have absolutely no chance of doing that any more, she knows well my feelings about the whole scam, and shuts down her mind at my first word of just about anything. Yesterday she said it would be better not to be born at all than to hear one of my theories. I was only trying to show the difference between God and a human corporation. But now through my acts her "faith" in the GB is stronger than ever.
Although she obviously denies it, it's clear that WTS = God. Several times she asked how am I not afraid to talk like that about God's Society? It's inconceivable for her that someone actually thinks the WTS is not God's society, and even if it were, there are absolutely nothing in the Bible supporting that you can't talk bad about God's society. Quite the contrary, the OT is almost nothing but trashing of God's chosen people. The Bible always favors those who act on their conscience instead of following other men blindly.
She sees the whole deal as me asking her to choose between me and God. I have stressed it innumerable times, even had it once repeat it three times one after the other, so she understands: I'm NOT asking her to choose beween me and God. I only ask her to think. Of course she thinks she does, but the facts prove otherwise.
I once asked her, if the Watchtower would print an advice telling her to cut her ties with me, would she follow it? She kept saying for half an hour, that "why would the Watchtower do that? There's no reason." -"So", I say "if you're absolutely sure the WT would not ask that, you're free to say you won't follow it, as that would never happen". Yet, no, she just couldn't say the word. By now it's clear whatever the WT prints is sacred for her. Yesterday similarly I asked if she found something in the Bible that contradicts the WT, what would she follow? Once again she gave no direct answer, spent a whole lot of time explaining how she would research, etc. But the premise was she already found out it was against the Bible. She knew she can't say she'd follow the WT, because it wouldn't be a truly faithful thing. But she couldn't say she'd follow the Bible either, because she knew it was not true. So she evaded the whole thing.
This is what bothers me probably the most: she's really a nice person inside. Even through her mental conditioning she still couldn't just outright lie and say she'd follow the Bible. Also there are many, actually christian traits in her that are natural. Yet the legalism and control of the WT takes over more and more, and I'm afraid it's simply beyond hope. And I just can't take it any more. She's not my wife, she's the GB's wife through and through. The GB has defiled our marriage bed, had killed the person I love and made my life as miserable as possible. I know it's not a very christian thing for me to say, but I'm kind of sad that there's no literal Hell, because simply falling from God's grace is too little punishment for those power hungry bastards who ruin thousands of lives anually.
Sorry about this incoherent rant, and thank you if you actually read it. It's just that so many things are on my mind right now, and I don't know what to do.
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Why do JW say if all were JW no more war
by bobld inif all jw are so holy and righteous,why do 70,000 to 100,000 get disfellowshipped each year?
in 10 years,that would be 700,000 to 1,000,000.df for causing sectarian divisions,misleading,treating lightly the preaching work,rejecting god's representatives(gb) and his visible org.so what are they going to do to these df'er.. b.
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JWs just say who is DFd was never truly a JW, so if all were truly JW that would mean noone had to be DFd. So there
And to answer the title question, if all were on heavy drugs constantly, there would be no war either, so what does that prove? Forceful pacifying is really not the way we should go, and imo not the way God would want us to go. A really good novel discussing exactly this subject is A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess.
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Brother, Sister
by B_Deserter inthe witnesses refer to each other as "brother" or "sister.
" this is supposedly because they are a "spiritual family" and this is supposed to encourage that feeling.. but how often did you refer to your biological brothers and sisters by their title?
when i was playing in the yard with my little brother i wasn't yelling "catch the ball, brother _______!
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teel
This thread brought back to me the weirdness of JW talk in my language. My native language is genderless, so there is only one word for sibling. So the JWs usually go the extra mile, and differentiate between "brother" and "sister" by adding a gender suffix to it. It sounds really weird, and it's practically a JW word on its own, noone else uses it - I would never call my flesh sister with that word. It's sort of like saying "sibling", and you have "woman sibling".
But you can't simply use the same word for man and women can you? Unless maybe if the sister has her head covered.