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  UNITED NATIONS CHARTER read in all congregations at beginning of SPECIAL TALK

  by Life is now in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  then 1 thessalonians 5 read about 'peace and security'.

  the speakers instructed not to embellish the statements.. 'noble sentiments' was mentioned about the un charter but no criticism.. followed by the need for god's kingdom.. it sounded more like an advert for the un to me.

  did anyone else hear it?

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  they withdrew membership at the beginning of this decade once they had compiled sufficient data from that source

  It must be Jah's blessing that they finished compiling sufficient data right at the time their involvement was exposed by the press.
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  why did they read the un charter at the special talk???

  by peaches in

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  i have been trying to find the answer,,,it does not make sense to me????

  anyhelp would be appreciated...thanks.

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  Talking with an elder about the UN relation I mentioned to be accepted as associated NGO you had to "share the principles of the UN Charter", to which he said "but we do, we want world peace too, and so on..." This might be the reason why some read parts of the charter, to convine those who know of the UN debacle that the charter is not really so bad.
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  have you ever met someone famous?

  by rockmehardplace in

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  i was thinking of a few celebrities i have met over the years -.

  neil diamond, matt damon, terry bradshaw, robert downey jr to name a few..

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  teel

  Hm, should I sidetrack this topic a little bit?

  Have you ever WITNESSED to someone famous?
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  Measuring the power consumption of an appliance

  by callitquits76 in

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  i was wondering if anybody could help me get my head around this,.

  i have a humidity machine running for a few hours a day.

  it states 'power consumption : 70w'.

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  teel

  Yes, you are right, 70W is the maximum rated consumption, generally it should consume less. If you really want to measure it, you need a wattmeter. I'm guessing your house has one from the electric company for billing purposes, so just unplug everything else and check it if that's possible.
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  When you fully believed it was the “truth”….

  by Broken Promises in

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  did you intend to leave your estate to the wts when you died?.

  in several threads ive read, ppl make comments to the effect that theres no point leaving money to jws, because they would just leave the money to the wts anyway.. .

  this is an assumption that i believe is a generalisation.. .

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  Being in my 20s I haven't really thought about that, but I think it wouldn't have been too far from me to do that - provided I have no kids.
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  Deconversion

  by goddidit in

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  2. child-abuse

  so i gather most of the people on this forum are ex-jws who have seen the error of their ways.. good for you guys.. would that put you in the unique position of knowing exactly how to make a current jw have doubts.. if so, how might that be?.

  i've tried science, philosophy, even simple logic and pointing out the quote mining but to no avail.. i'm not even saying there isn't a god, just that their version of the story blatantly contradicts emperical science in so many ways..

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  teel

  Goddidit, welcome.

  Unfortunately there is no surefire method to make a JW doubt, it's highly dependant on the person. I suggest you read the "Combatting Cult Mind Control" or "Releasing the Bonds" by Steven Hassan. You have to understand, the JWs are a cult, and it's a high control group with use of indoctrination. There's not much one can do against that, except a long road of very small steps and hope. There are some who are just perfect to be inside a cult, spiritual children, who couldn't live a meaningful life if noone is there to direct every step of theirs. If one is not ready to accept the truth about the "Truth" (TM) then no amount of logic and reasoning helps.

  Is there a close family member inside? My condoleances then. Maybe if you give more details we can help you more. Stick around the forums, you can learn a lot about the cult here.
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  "Spiritual conversation"? What is that?

  by teel in

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  2. beliefs

  you surely remember that there were numerous exhortations to talk about spiritual things, especially in kh.

  i never quite understood what that's supposed to mean.

  (which is probably why i talked so little in the kh i guess).

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  teel

  You surely remember that there were numerous exhortations to talk about spiritual things, especially in KH. I never quite understood what that's supposed to mean. (Which is probably why I talked so little in the KH I guess). Observing others it seemed the "spiritual conversation" basically revolved around praising the elder giving the talk, and repeating points of the speech.

  Because "individual thinking" is strongly discouraged, I fail to see how can people have a truly spiritual discussion. It may be my fault, but I see nothing spiritual in repeating one more time what has been said.

  To be fair there was one elder in my cong who I felt knew what spiritual discussion meant. When he was in a group, he actually made us think. He was quite manipulative though, he had a knack for directing our thoughts to society approved thinking only. Still, with him at least I felt almost free to think. I feel that without freedom of thinking there can be no true spirituality.

  So what is your experience? Have you ever had a spiritual conversation with a JW? Care to explain to me what they actually mean by that?
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  The world's best passenger complaint letter

  by behemot in

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  virgin: the world's best passenger complaint letter?here we reproduce a complaint letter sent to sir richard branson, which is currently being emailed globally and is considered by many to be the world's funniest passenger complaint letter.dear mr branson.

  ref: mumbai to heathrow 7th december 2008. i love the virgin brand, i really do which is why i continue to use it despite a series of unfortunate incidents over the last few years.

  this latest incident takes the biscuit.. ironically, by the end of the flight i would have gladly paid over a thousand rupees for a single biscuit following the culinary journey of hell i was subjected to at thehands of your corporation.. look at this richard.

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  Here's the first picture too for illustration Check the link for the others, don't want to hog people's bandwith if not asked.

  
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  What charitable works does the WTBS do in the UK?

  by highdose in

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  in the uk they are registered as a charity.

  its made clear from the platform that this is for tax reasons, they get a nice tax break from the goverment.

  but what charitable works do they actualy do?.

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  teel

  I think the answer to the officials is that they provide free education to anyone.

  But true, as you said, it's just like any other company.
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  Yeabook 2010 cover up -Rutherford's false prophecy that Armagedon was coming in 1925....half the Publishers leave the truth!

  by Witness 007 in

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  this years yearbook covers "albainia" as i read these experiences i get to around 1920-25 and i notice that 3 or 4 healthy congregations turn into just 13-14 publishers by 1926 after "a time of trouble.

  " although not mentioned this "trouble" was rutherford's "millions now living will never die" campaign with the watchtower saying armagedon was coming in 1925. most european congregations by 1926 lost whole congregations with only 3-10 "faithful " remaining {e.g poland, romania yearbook experiences} notice how the graph starts from the 1940's to avoid and cover up showing the flat lined publisher figures after 1925.....{notice also dips after 1975}.

  however, check out the 2006 yearbook page 80. romania graph, and you see a flat lined publisher figure at 1926. the witnesses had to start from scratch.

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  teel

  I'm not sure they had such numbers George. The organization didn't put much weight on the numbers until about the 50s I think. Partakers specially didn't matter, because virtually every JW was partaking back then.