Indeed, don't forget about the times we are living in. Don't forget that you can get cured for most of the illness that only 100 years ago would have killed you. Don't forget that you work 40 hours a week instead of 72. Don't forget that your life expectancy is about twice as the ones living 150 years ago. Don't forget that there are actually more people in the world being overfed than hungry, and that there are much less percentage of people hungry than in the XIX. century. Don't forget that there wasn't a war at your doorstep for over 60 years - unheard of before the XX. century. Yep, these are indeed terrible times - for the fear mongerers.
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24"...the times we are living in..."
by bez inso, just had one of our 'elders' ring to see how we are getting on and if we need any help etc.. when my hubby was honest and said we were ok and that we had decided to just move on with our lives and our family right now and concentrate on that and nothing else, but thanked him for their interest and care over last few months.... he replied by saying, ok, he would let the body of elders know this???
?, and he also reminded him to not forget "the times we are living in".... my husband told me the conversation after coming off the phone and now i feel, after being on a high the last couple of weeks (despite coming off my anti-d's cold turkey, drs orders) , i feel now actually really crap, quite scared and once again like i am making a bad decision for my kids... what is wrong with me!!!.
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teel
Open the pictures directly from the links, it works for me:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2741/2951/1600/Protect-the-flock-p1.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2741/2951/1600/Protect-the-flock-p2.jpg
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did wt shut doors 9/11?
by topanga inis it true because all of those tunnels dinning rooms factories and supermarkets could be of great help to the community in a time of attack.
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teel
Essan,
You don't realize it, but this thread is 7 years old Truth might as well have left the JWs since then, and living a happy life. No problem with your comment though, it might help someone else.
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How do you handle the wickedness going on today?
by stillin9 inwe know in the jw realm, satan is believed to be the main cause of all the wickedness going on in our world today.
after taking a quick look at news headlines, and seeing the crap going on around us, i personally don't find that so hard to believe.
but i wanted to see how you guys handle the tragedies and wickedness going on around us?
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teel
Here's an experiment you could do: live like someone in the XVIII. century as far as media is concerned. Never watch TV, never read the news on the Internet, and maybe only read local news, what happens in your town (if you live in a small town, otherwise it doesn't count). That was how people lived a few hundred years ago. Live like that for a few months, and observe only the world around you. Then re-evaluate if you still think the world is really so much more wicked than ever before.
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Theocratic Warfare / Lying JWs
by AuntBee init's one thing to read about this on paper.
but it really hits home after you've experienced it numerous times!
this is a real thing, and it's quite startling to find such an abundance of lying in 'the truth'!!
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teel
I've witnessed JWs lying in minor things quite often, and when they were aware I caught them they just said, well, he wasn't entitled to know the truth. I always held that the moral thing to do is shut up then instead of making up stuff. I haven't seen any major lies or tax frauds or such though.
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Further developments in my JC
by teel inshort review: the elders "invited" me to a friendly chat with 3 elders.
i told them since it's about my official status with jw's i request an official invitation in writing.
they denied it, and went ahead and kept the jc without me, notifying me that i'm df'd and if i want to appeal, send it in writing (btw: .
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teel
Some of you have expressed the desire to know the outcome. Well, some time have passed, and the good news is I'm making very good progress on turning to an ex-exJw, which is why I visit this site so rarely (I may resume visiting more often when it's all well past behind me, to chat, and maybe give some ill-conceived advices ).
As I said in the first post I demanded the appeal committee to allow a lawyer to be present. The elder I talked to said on the phone that he can't decide alone, and he'll have to talk it over with the others, and they'll announce me their decision. Now the rest of the story: that talk was on Friday, on Tuesday I got a phone call from an elder, that the decision was made in my absence, and they want to meet me to tell me the decision. I got really upset, and told them if they so blatantly disregard any morality and Bible principles, then I don't care about their decision.
An hour or so later after I calmed down a bit, called him back, and told him I know about my "right" to appeal further to the branch committee (the one the elders' book mentions never to tell to the DFd). The committee made at least one grave error - they made the decision without me, although I was promised they would only talk about my request for allowing a lawyer. So they can't wiggle out of this, their decision was invalid. I told this to the elder on the phone, to which he agreed, that indeed, I should have been informed first, after which they should have set another date. So, I asked, the committee made a mistake, right? No, it was not a mistake, just that... - I don't remember what he said here, but it was just pathetic he knew they messed it up, but had to follow the book, where it says no admission of error.
So the elder said they'll wait for the answer from the branch. I wrote a 2 page letter to the branch detailing the situation, and called an other elder who was not on the appeal committee (I mentioned him often on this forum, collegge professor, highly educated, always trying to balance loyalty to the org with true righteousness) - he promised to contact the DO personally to tell him about my story.
That was almost one month ago... I have not received one single phone call, letter, or anything since then. I have just asked my (stbx)wife whether there was some announcement... she says there wasn't, and she was always present. As I have said, whatever they do, it's a win-win for me... in this case I may have done something that was probably very rarely done before: with the elders having uncontestable proof about my "heresy", I have beat the system, and stopped their DF machine right at the end of its track.
Maybe it's too soon to say this, but I think someone at the top was actually thinking with his brain, and noticed they are turning me in some kind of mini-martyr. It's bad for business... so he ordered the elders to leave me alone as long as I don't spread my "lies" in the congregation (I have no intention to do so unless they ask, not because of fear, but simply all this is slipping into my dark past...); and have the elders observe me, and at the first sign of some real sin (for example marrying someone else, since I'm getting divorced anyway, and not on grounds of infidelity), DF me. This is all just a guess of course.
I have already met some witnesses who refused to greet me, but I really don't care about them any more. I'm moving on...
Edit: and tomorrow I will have exactly 1 year on this site I'm a big boy now... can stand on my own legs (I think).
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Further developments in my JC
by teel inshort review: the elders "invited" me to a friendly chat with 3 elders.
i told them since it's about my official status with jw's i request an official invitation in writing.
they denied it, and went ahead and kept the jc without me, notifying me that i'm df'd and if i want to appeal, send it in writing (btw: .
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@ziddina: with my salary relative to the lawyer fees, I can sort-of afford it. It's not something I can do on a daily basis, but I can assure you I am willing to pay the lawyer to show up on the JC. However I have no intentions to show up otherwise, it's all just a game, which I will play to the end. I still have a few chapters in my mind.
@thetrueone: I have absolutely no problem with being DFd. Fortunately noone in my close family (or even in the extended family to my knowledge) is a JW. I had only one family member in the Borg, which they stole from me, my wife. We are in the process of divorce right now, which in fact gave me fuel to this whole game. They took away the most important thing to me, and the reason of all my hard work in the last 10 years.
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Further developments in my JC
by teel inshort review: the elders "invited" me to a friendly chat with 3 elders.
i told them since it's about my official status with jw's i request an official invitation in writing.
they denied it, and went ahead and kept the jc without me, notifying me that i'm df'd and if i want to appeal, send it in writing (btw: .
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Short review: the elders "invited" me to a friendly chat with 3 elders. I told them since it's about my official status with JW's I request an official invitation in writing. They denied it, and went ahead and kept the JC without me, notifying me that I'm DF'd and if I want to appeal, send it in writing (btw: ). So I sent an appeal, saying this sort of notifying should be done in writing, just as the literature advises us that it's better to give things in writing than relying simply on an oral agreement (I also gave some scriptural examples). An other point I stressed in the letter was that in the Bible the judicial cases were open to anyone who wanted to participate (Deuteronomy 16:18,19), and the Greek Scriptures provides no ruling about this, so we have no basis to do otherwise.
So yesterday evening an elder (the obnoxious one from my cong) came to my home, told me on the intercom he's here to bring the answer to the appeal. I told him he can put it in the mailbox. He didn't. I got it today delivered personally. It was a very short unsigned letter (2 lines), containing the date (tomorrow evening) and a telephone number if the date is not ok (100% per the flock book's instruction).
So I called 2 hours ago, the elder on the other end was unknown to me. I told him the time is not good for me, because my lawyer is on holiday. I'm still smiling right now on the confusion this brought to the elder. He started telling me that this was only an invitation to me. I asked if he read my appeal, to which he said yes. I told him I stated there plainly the biblical basis of open trial, and I expect them to follow, and I want my lawyer present as an observer, to make sure things go according to local regulations. His best answer was that they have instructions from the Society to which they must abide. My answer was that my only allegience is to God and his Word, and anything else is second. So he told me he must consult with the others on the committee, and they will tell me their decision. He sounded utterly confused about the situation, I think the mentioning of an official lawyer made him a bit scared. In fact I have not talked with my lawyer about this, because I know the committee won't let him in (incidentally he is on a holiday, it was no lie).
Now this is but one more step in my ongoing tests. All the time I have tried to put the elders in a situation where they must choose between doing the society approved thing, or doing the most to "win me" for God. From reading the flock book I knew what they were supposed to do, and tried to set up things accordingly.
I often thought about the morality of these 'tricks'. I know these men are basically good people (well, most of them), and it's not their fault they behave like this, yet I put them to hard work and probably stress too. I still don't know if what I am doing is right or not. All I know is that these tests prove to me the JWs as a group don't care about persons, but much more about the group, and it eases my anxiety about leaving. I can't help but contrast their society-mandated actions to Jesus' parable about the lost sheep.
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Sola Scriptura
by dieselman inin response to yknot *** please note the wts doesn't believe in sola scriptura (bible understood alone by individuals), if you are 'lurker' and want to refute this fact, please start a new thread or feel free to pm me ...... (reproof will be accepted if you can show me my error of understanding on the matter).
in the words of the ethiopian "how can i," he said, "unless someone explains it to me?
" so he invited philip to come up and sit with him.
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teel
I'm sitting here at work shaking my head because you guys are getting duped by another troll.
Hey, some of us are also at work, and bored, so why not? It's his thread, so technically we are trolling him
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Shouldn't have answered the phone just now
by Soldier77 ini just answered the phone and it didn't phase me that caller id did not tell me who was calling.
well, it was an elder.... he wanted to know the usual interogation crap, where i've been, have i gone to the dc yet, when am i going, i will love it, etc, typical bullshit.
then he says, "i noticed you haven't turned in any time for last month, do you have any to report?
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teel
Here's something to cheer you up
