i was thinking, not counting those who are df'd for "conduct," it seems to me that there are two type of exjws that leave.
by this i mean the ones that woke up and came to their senses while still inside.
1. those who found doctrinal errors and couldn't stay with the lies.. 2. those who found that there was no love and left because of the betrayal of emotions, and realization that by this fruit you knew they were not the ones, their lack of love.
WT Wizard, the early biblical writers seemed to demonize other religions and/or goddess/gods, and thats for those that they didn't just wipe off the face of the earth through genocide. How can you respect that? As for the Satan thing, I don't believe in him. I think he was the bogeyman meant to scare people and small children into submission. As a human race we don't need help from a diabolical satan creature spirit, we are evil enough all on our own.
Ada
i was thinking, not counting those who are df'd for "conduct," it seems to me that there are two type of exjws that leave.
by this i mean the ones that woke up and came to their senses while still inside.
1. those who found doctrinal errors and couldn't stay with the lies.. 2. those who found that there was no love and left because of the betrayal of emotions, and realization that by this fruit you knew they were not the ones, their lack of love.
Its really been interesting to read the responses, much different than I expected.
I left for reason number 2, long before there was a google. At the time I knew they had blown the one test that they spouted, but I really didn't care that much about doctrine. The one thing I kept for a long time was that I really had no desire to be associated with "apostates" because I thought they were all bitter people who protested assemblies and whined a lot. Along the way I bought Crisis of Conscience but it bored me to tears so I gave it to my brother, who lapped it up.
Then one day I discovered JWD and learned about Malawi and about the UN debacle. The whole house of cards came tumbling down, as someone said. But in the meantime the whole biblical house of cards had come tumbling down in the sense of it being itself any type of "truth." Once that was gone I felt connected to something, but I wasn't sure what, so I went on a journey of discovery and learned about many different paths.
Now I would say you all would throw me in the pagan bucket, but mostly I'd say the Gaian hypothesis is at the center of it.
Thanks for the responses, I love hearing how other people evolve.
Ada
i was thinking, not counting those who are df'd for "conduct," it seems to me that there are two type of exjws that leave.
by this i mean the ones that woke up and came to their senses while still inside.
1. those who found doctrinal errors and couldn't stay with the lies.. 2. those who found that there was no love and left because of the betrayal of emotions, and realization that by this fruit you knew they were not the ones, their lack of love.
BTW you are right. #3 should be policies. Good call.
i was thinking, not counting those who are df'd for "conduct," it seems to me that there are two type of exjws that leave.
by this i mean the ones that woke up and came to their senses while still inside.
1. those who found doctrinal errors and couldn't stay with the lies.. 2. those who found that there was no love and left because of the betrayal of emotions, and realization that by this fruit you knew they were not the ones, their lack of love.
I was thinking, not counting those who are DF'd for "conduct," it seems to me that there are two type of exJWs that leave. By this I mean the ones that woke up and came to their senses while still inside.
1. Those who found doctrinal errors and couldn't stay with the lies.
2. Those who found that there was no love and left because of the betrayal of emotions, and realization that by this fruit you knew they were NOT the ones, their lack of love. (I'm including in this the lack of love displayed for physical harm from others in the congregations too, such as child abuse.)
There may be other reasons as well. I'm kind of wondering, though, whether those of us who left for reason number one tend to go on to another christian church, and whether those who leave for the second reason have a different path or if the numbers are about the same?
Which number are you and what are your spiritual/religious beliefs these days?
Ada
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=4423.
Behemot, please don't confuse homosexuality, the love between consenting adults of the same sex, and pedophilia, which is a different thing entirely.
Seems the Catholic church, like the Jehovah's Witnesses, will never learn.
Ada
suit targets jehovahs witnesses
benton complaint about sex abuse and church policy is said to be the first of hundreds across the u.s.. .
the setup is such that the elders are the voice of the watchtower, and the watchtower is the voice of christ.
Sam I'm relieved that this is finally happening, I know nothing will ever take away the pain from what happened to your brother, but this will help along the way. I pray that this suit is successful as well as the others involved. I hope your family and your brother finds peace.
Ada (Sherry)
i'm running vista home premium on my dell inspiron.
dell custom build to your requirements and i went for 4gb of ram from the start (almost 2 years ago).
i know vista has been much maligned but honestly, i've had no problems with it.
I've heard nothing but good reviews on 7. The whole thing is based on customer feedback and they actually listened. What a concept for Microsoft.
Ada
When forced to choose between two evils, I always pick the one I haven't tried yet. - Mae West
hello, my name is jeremy.
i have been reading this forum for some time.
i asked the elders, they said that i could grow the beard, so i did.
Wow, did you notice this was written 8 years ago? I wonder how jayhawk's doing now.
today my 15 year old daughterand i went to the local craft fair, went to olive garden for lunch, then ran over to ross to shop a little, and as we were walking out of the store, low and behold, who was coming straight at us??.
(my daughters grandmother.
) she was headed straight toward us.
Perry, choosing not to subject yourself to abuse is not participating in abuse. Not every parent was a good parent. Mine weren't. Granted they didn't know how to be anything but abusive, because they were abused, but that didn't make it any easier to take at the time. My mother used to set her jaw, and her mouth was shaped like Betty Davis (actress) with the that huge frown, looking me right in the eye, she would beat me. She tried to make me cry, and she used whatever she could to do that. A willow switch, a belt, a stick, and occassionally her fist. My dad's weapon of choice was a fist. When they weren't being physically abusive, they used their other weapon, their mouths. That weapon included taunting, ridicule, fear, intimidation, guilt, and whatever else they could do. In addition my mother was and is a master manipulator as well as very passive aggressive.
For years I hated them for what they did to me and to my brothers and sister (one of my brothers has been a heroin addict for years because he couldn't face it any longer). Later I came to terms with the fact that they really truly didn't know any better, so I was able to move past that. Now, they have not changed. I have. But I still will not place myself into the receiving end of that abuse any longer.
There are situations where people are in a cult and all they are is deceived, and they would participate in their DF'd children's lives if they could. And there is a whole nother class of people who are not good people. I may honor my mother and father for giving me birth, but I don't have to be present to do it. I don't wish them any harm, and I wish things were different. But thats the way my hand was dealt.
Ada
