I knew people that quit their jobs and pioneered, people that moved across the country to serve where the need was great, some that put off medical treatment, a few that maxed out every credit card they could lay their hands on. Never bought into it myself and was roundly criticised for not being on the band wagon by quite a few. Interesting that those people that were so critical had a complete memory lapse about the whole thing after a couple of years had passed. No question that the date was consistently preached from the platform, especially at conventions and assemblies, even though they were a little more careful in print.
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Were you 'alive in '75' and how was that year for you?
by punkofnice ini was a junior borgite in 1975. i remeber looking at the calendar at work in october and thinking: 'armageddon isn't here yet.....and it doesn't feel like it will be here anytime soon either!'.
i was surprised that jehovah hadn't obeyed the superior command to bring the big 'a' as instructed to him by fred franz.
how dare god disobey the jw leader!!!!!.
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A DOUBLE LIFE - What's the worst case you've seen
by sizemik inlots of jw's lead a double life.
many are young people that simply go through the motions until they can free themselves .
others have relatives or family still trapped .
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Knew a very prominent Elder who traveled for his work. Turns out he was having affairs with women in many of the places he visited while he was traveling. One of these girls became a Witness and saw him on the platform at a Circuit Assembly which caused her to burst into tears. Her explanation certainly livened up the assembly.
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An X. Did the best I could and did have a positive impact on some peoples lives. Tried to stand between the Pharisees and the flock.
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YOU WILL NEVER SEE THESE ACTS EVER MENTIONED IN A WATCHTOWER PUBLICATION
by steve2 infaking of hours in field service or dragging service time out by making coffee stops or driving for hours "between" household contacts are never frowned upon, let alone mentioned, in the publications.
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yet, in each congregation of jehovah's witnesses, to one degree or another, faking hours, padding time out with coffee stops and long journeys between opportunities to "witness" are endemic practices..
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One of my favorite stories is about the guy whot started his time by rolling out of bed in the morning and throwing a tract out the window, then back to bed for a couple more hours.
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If You Were A Bro(tm) Did You Enjoy The Prestiage Of Giving A Talk? Do You Miss It?
by LoisLane looking for Superman ini was a sister(tm).
i was only allowed to give talks to my householder.. you brother's(tm), all eyes were on you.. what was that like?.
did you enjoy it?.
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I was always considered one of the better speakers in the Circuit and I gave talks at both Circuit Assemblies and District Conventions. To be honest I tried to do as good a job as possible but it was quite a lot of work to turn out a good product. I didn't particularly enjoy the attention, I just wanted to do a good job.
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Was Your Leaving The Witnesses A Very Gradual Process Or A Quick One?
by minimus infor me, it took many years.. even when i would read all the changes over the years from the "truth", i still would ignore it and "wait on jehovah" and try to be a positive force in the congregation.. eventually, i just couldn't take it anymore and resigned as an elder, and slowly but surely made my fade.. what about you?
were you out, in a short or longer time?
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Jazzbo
Raised in the org but I was always fairly cynical and skeptical about the whole thing. I actually like the Bible and historical study, etc. Publicing speak and all that stuff came easily for me and I was quite good at it to be honest. I did value some of the friendships and the family relationships so I rolled along and made a successful career for myself in the business world and had a parallel success in the organization. My idea was that I would do the best I could to help people and control the bad guys as best I could. Became really tired of the monumental level of ignorance in the organization. Nauseated by the actions of many COs and DOs. Got real fed up with the way my kids were treated when they got University educations, got removed as an Elder and to my shock quickly learned how many people had actually resented intellectually stimulating Watchtower Studies and Book Studies. Became irregular. Moved and went to a congregation where no one knew me and had no idea of my capabilities. Nearly everyone in the new congregation where about as bright as fence posts. Very tiresome hearing weekly expositions about how God was directly intervening in everyone's life. Became inactive. Decreased meeting attendance to occasional. Congregation boundaries changed and I arrived one day to find I was in a different congregation where no one knew me from Adam and wasn't the least bit interested in me at all. Said to myself, "That's great!" walked out the door and never went back.
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Former Longtime Elder- Met up with a Former CO,DO
by James Jackson inat a convention recently, i met with don wallace, a former co and do.
he told me he came off the road 6 years ago and is living in scottsboro al.
him and his wife are in their late 70's.
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Good for him! People are responsible for their own actions and if he chose to make preparations for the future then more power to him. Everyone else has had the same opportunity whether they choose to excercise it or not. Personally, I never lost sight of the fact that the liklihood was that I would need money in the future and I acted accordingly. I can't recall one occasion when anyone said anything critical to me about saving and investing and I was not secretive about it.
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Simon, One of the many things you are ignoring is the fact as stated above: Zimmerman was told to stay in his vehicle! Another thing you are ignoring is that since Mr. Trayvon Martin was killed, Zimmerman made any claim he could and Mr. Trayvon Martin is not here to defend himself or tell his story of what happened. But the main fact remains that Zimmerman was told not to get out of his car and was told not to do anything. And because Zimmerman blatantly ignored that official instruction, THAT is why this tragedy and now this TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE has occurred. And anyone with even an IOTA of FULLY INTEGRATED HONESTY can see that. WORF
You can repeat this BS as many times as you like, it doesn't make it correct. Some low rent telephone operator DOES NOT have the legal right to issue orders to the guy on the other end of the phone. That's the law and it was also addressed in court. Zimmerman's actions were in all cases completely legal which was also addressed in court.The evidence showed Zimmerman was innocent and the fact that Martin wasn't there had nothing to do with it.
The truth is that justice was done when Zimmerman pulled the trigger on a violent thug who attacked him and justice was done again when a jury acquited him of all charges. Your race baiting ideology and the moaning of the rest of the hand wringers who believe in black victimhood in this case has been trumped by the legal system. It's a good day for justice. The jury deserves a medal.
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How many of you followed the WTS direction on education years ago and have been screwed by it?
by Julia Orwell ini'm really interested in this question because i've heard for years that if you forgo further education and go pioneering, when you have a family down the track you will get a good job because jehovah will provide for you because you pioneered.
as long as i was a kool-aid drinker, even then, i thought, "how does pioneering pay your bills?
surely education should come first.
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I don't know. Are you a brain surgeon or do you say, "Do you want fries with that?"
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How many of you followed the WTS direction on education years ago and have been screwed by it?
by Julia Orwell ini'm really interested in this question because i've heard for years that if you forgo further education and go pioneering, when you have a family down the track you will get a good job because jehovah will provide for you because you pioneered.
as long as i was a kool-aid drinker, even then, i thought, "how does pioneering pay your bills?
surely education should come first.
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It kinda piszez me off to read people acting like giving up a college education was nothing for them and they have been so successful. The old "I'm so talented I didn't go to college and still make $100,000's a year, plus bonuses, plus retirement, plus investments, health insurance etc., crap touches me and it turns to gold. " If that's your attitude, perhaps you need to be on a convention encouraging the youth to not seek further education. Perhaps you should teach you own children that they won't need an education, just look at yourself. I'll bet you won't, and your making plans to send your kids now to a University near you.
JakeM2012 I guess that is directed at me. The truth is that I sent all my kids to college and two of them got Masters degrees. They're doing well. If you want to wallow in your situation then that is certainly your privilege but I suspect your embrace of victimhood is as much responsible for your situation as the fact that the Organization made it difficult for you to pursue a college aducation. The sad truth is that I've run into way too many Witnesses and ex Witnesses that pretend they could have been brain surgeons if only the evil Organization had not interfered with their educational plans when the truth is that they struggle to stand behind a counter at a convenience store. I do not apologize for being successful, if you don't like it that's just too bad. Enjoy your wallow.