Posts by garyneal

I don't know, Perry, I use to hear the same stuff coming out of the mouth of my old Independent Fundamental Baptist preacher some 20 years ago. Well, at least him and Jack Van Impe. It use to scare me to death and make me want to try to be a better Christian which for an IFB meant attending all the church services and going out soul winning regularly. The downside is that it was never enough as every Sunday morning, Sunday night, or Wednesday night I would hear the pastor say yet something else was wrong with my life. Either because I was in college getting a 'secular education' or I was still living at home when I was 21 or because I would just get bored with the church and check out other churches (after hearing from the pulpit that only the IFB's had the right teachings).

Back then, we were expecting the New World Order TM to occur by the late 1990's and preparing for the millenia rein of Christ to occur during the 2000's. Look ma, its 2012 and no New World Order TM . The world is still spinning the same way much as it did 20 years ago. No Anti-Christ, unless you believe the conservative pundits who claim Obama is it. Back in the 1980's I was told that Ronald Reagan had the mark of the beast (the 666 which were the number of letters in his first, middle, and last names). Well, the beast is dead, unless that super computer in Belgium is the B.E.A.S.T. (which was also preached by that IFB preacher).

In short, why get scared of the turn of events whether real or imagined?

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Who is brave enough to admit

by mouthy in

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they have met me in person?????

?.

garyneal

Haven't met you, would like to.

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Who would you most like to meet from this board and why?

by usualusername in

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who would you most like to meet from this board and why?.

i would love to by danmera dinner.

she rocks!.

garyneal

Gracey, Mouthy

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Blood transfusions and JW children in a household with a non-believer parent

by never a jw in

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just recently my daughter ask for permission to get baptized.

not knowing the mess that my wife's religion is, i consented.

after a lot of research, i now regret my decision.

garyneal

Jehovah's Witnesses have a habit of being notoriously slippy when it comes to reasoning. They will say almost anything to justify their position and will resort to acting beligerent and downright hateful when it becomes too challenging. In some ways, their mind is fighting for their life.

Your best bet is to question their doctrine and help them to see their own dishonesty. Is there a doctrine that your daughter does not totally agree with? That can help you can use that as a wedge of sorts to help her reason. Why does she not agree with the society of doctrine X? Let her do the talking.

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How do these Hard Core JW's Function?

by Zordino in

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i am a fader and through the years i've known and spoken to jw's who live their entire life around the religion.

they live as though they speak with jesus himself!

what really got to me was the other day me and my wife had to stop by some elder's house and it was a saturday night.

garyneal

Belief can be comforting, helps us make sense of an otherwise senseless world. Gives us purpose in an otherwise purposeless existence.

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Another reason why 1914 is WRONG

by EdenOne in

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even if 607 had been the actual date of the destruction of jerusalem .... 1914 would still be wrong.

when the wts says that "7 times" equals 2 x 3,5 times of revelation = 2 x 1260 days = 2520 days > one day / one year rule = 2520 years.. now, 2520 / 7 times means that one "time" has 360 "days".

this corresponds to the lunar year.

garyneal

Keep in mind that the Watchtower use to publish the year of Jerusalem's destruction occurred in 606 BCE until they discovered their own oversight of there being no year zero. Why move the date back to 607 upon this discovery instead of moving Christ's invisible return up to 1915?

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To those exjw's who still believe the bible is the word of God, as I do, tell me how would a JW respond to Acts 1:11

by marriedtoajw in

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"men of galilee, they said, why do you stand here looking looking into the sky?

this same jesus who has been taken from you into heaven will come back the same way you have "seen" him go into heaven.

" considering that jw's believe that jesus has taken kingdom power in 1914, hope i said that right, what would be their response to an orthodox christian belief that the return of jesus would be visible and not invisible who those with discerning eyes could only see.

garyneal

There is another scriptures that speak of Christ's return being as visible as lightning in the sky. Harold Camping also claim that God's judgement came invisibly after it failed to show up visibly in May and the WT considers him a false prophet.

The invisble return of Christ also has its roots in the Second Adventist religion and Charles Taze Russell went to his grave believing that Christ returned invisibly in 1874. That belief remained with the witnesses up until around the 1940's.

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Blood transfusions and JW children in a household with a non-believer parent

by never a jw in

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just recently my daughter ask for permission to get baptized.

not knowing the mess that my wife's religion is, i consented.

after a lot of research, i now regret my decision.

garyneal

Since the belief of the blood transfusions can actually cost the life of one of them, I am actually considering to meet with the elders of the congregation and expose the weakness of the doctrine from every angle possible while having my children present.

I don't know how far you are thinking of getting with them. A general rule of thumb with witnesses is to never ever discuss doctrine. They will defend it even if they know that it makes no sense. I've done this with a pioneer brother sometime back and chronicled our discussion here. If you wish to skip ahead to our 'discussion' about the blood doctrine, skip to my post number 2762 here. I've had these same discussions with my wife and even she will defend it even though I can tell I got her thinking. They will never EVER claim that the SLAVE is wrong about things. If you have not noticed yet, even when the watchtower changes a doctrine and teaches the exact opposite, they were never wrong. It is all filed under new light.

Your better bet is to try to get the kids to reason on it themselves. Ask questions but don't appear that you are trying to discredit the religion. If your daughter is already baptized then she obviously sees some significance to this religion. If she loves you then she cannot possibly believe everything they say. After all, they teach that all non witnesses will die at armageddon. If she hears this then she either does not believe it about you or she is VERY VERY concerned for you and scared witless.

Here is a video that may help you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=949n_xH9nso&list=PL7EE047005059527B