Posts by xelder

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Was it the doctrine or the control that woke you up?

by Evidently Apostate in

even though i knew some of the doctrines were so convoluted they couldnt be genuine, every prophecy mentioned in the bible was simplistic and direct i still felt it was the best place to raise a family.

i felt like i could ignore the hypocrisy, manipulative and fake personalities and still have true friends and unbreakable family bonds.

even though my concience would bother me i would always try to forgive.

xelder

The Control.

I can understand being wrong and stubborn (who isn't sometimes)

But it is the iron fisted control and manipulation that first got to me. Especially when I looked back at my participation in jucical committees....shame

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"Theocratic Warfare" and the Annual Report

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

one of the things i certainly noticed as a jw, and even during the time i was in bethel, was the complexities of reporting "truth.".

beginning with an observation on a personal level, i consider myself an honest person.

but something happened along the way, beginning when i pioneered.

xelder

Some secretaries are dumb at math. I knew one who would take 15 minutes and punch .15 into the calculator (instead of .25).

This reminds me of another point. Totals of all the slips makes a congregation report that is sent in to WBTS. No need to post to the individual pub cards. Most Secretaries post cards later. The individual cards are for monitoring and control purposes only. No need to track individuals....just send in a congregation summary.

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Was being a Ministerial Servant a Prerequisite for Marriage

by Pitchess Co-Gen in

i'm asking this because when i was in ( disfellowshipped in 2009 ) some "sisters" wouldn't even look at you unless you had the title ministerial servant or worse elder.

i notice this when i was in because one of my friends thinks that by becoming a ms he could get the better looking witness girls.

tell me your stories of this..

xelder

This is very common....yes. I heard the DO (Darrell Holman) say at a Circuit Assembly from the platform to the sisters, 'Why even look at the brother as a possible mate if he isn't a MS, if not.....why not'

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Nov.15th WT - WT Society Wants & Needs Elders- Not very High Standards

by flipper in

jw
friends

as many of us realize- times are hard for the wt society getting men to " reach out " for an elders or ministerial servants position as young men aged ( 18-35 ) are opting out of doing that due to the pressure they are under from the wt society leaders and just that it takes up too much valuable time where men could be earning a living and helping their own families instead of a thankless magazine printing corporation.

in the article " train others to reach out " in this issue it has lots of strange, controlling, yet perplexing statements which i'm sure will confuse jw men who are considering " reaching out ".

in fact, i think this article will discourage more than encourage them from doing so.. on pg.

xelder

Dear brothers,

Flipper and I want to reach out to be elders again. We really miss taking the lead in field circus. We miss giving parts on how to sell magazines. We miss pointless long meetings....etc....etc.....etc.

Even though Flipper is the smarter one, I am better lookin. We both really really want to have our whole self worth as males judged by Circuit Overseers and such.

Please let us know when our appointments will be announced.

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Is a child up for adoption supposed to promise love & respect to the potential father?

by discreetslave in

tuesday, october 4. offer your very selves to him: a living sacrifice, dedicated and fit for his acceptance.rom.

12:1, the new english bible.. before someone who is alienated from god can become a member of gods family of approved servants, he first needs to make a solemn promise to jehovah.

to understand why, imagine a respectable father who shows kind interest in an orphaned youth and wishes to adopt him as a member of his own family.

xelder

The father image. Any illustration about God as a father misses me. I'm a father and grandfather; not the best ever, and it continues to be a learning experience.

I want my children to love me. But......if I had to choose:

1. By an action of mine, I can provide for my childrens' happiness and well being, but they will never understand and will hate me.

or

2. They will think I'm wonderful, but have extremely difficult lives.

I choose number one....I think most parents would. The WTS has always been run by men who never had children and any illustration they come up with proves it. They are very often idiots.

As far as God using the illustration in scripture....I can't wrap my head around it

It was Like Collecting Baseball Cards.....only GB

by xelder in

in the old days the top guys in the org were famous.. i was such a organization man (sorry but true).

i knew org stats and figures and who's who like crazy!!

if they would have had trading cards i would have had a pile (shame).. knorr, franz, etc were lost.

xelder

In the old days the Top Guys in the Org were famous.

I was such a organization man (sorry but true). I knew org stats and figures and who's who like crazy!! If they would have had trading cards I would have had a pile (shame).

Knorr, Franz, etc were lost. But, today, the GB have lost a lot of the status. Few know them. People love to know the leaders they follow, to see "Moses" on the mountain. Hopefully, this will allow more to leave.

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JW's - Hard to admit that much of life was a waste

by xelder in

from my observations, i think many (especially older) jw's hold through the stupid doctrinal changes because they can't admit the alternative.. i had wished the jw kingdom hope was true, i needed it to be true.

i'm 5th generation and my parents, grandparents, great grand.....ect needed it to be true.

i have watched many "faithful" relatives hang on and die disappointed.

xelder

From my observations, I think many (especially older) JW's hold through the stupid doctrinal changes because they can't admit the alternative.

I had wished the JW kingdom hope was true, I needed it to be true. I'm 5th generation and my parents, grandparents, great grand.....ect needed it to be true. I have watched many "faithful" relatives hang on and die disappointed. But our false hopes and needs have nothing to do with reality. It was hard to accept that, but I did.

I see my younger relatives in there 20's. Some barely attend anymore, some are pioneering with their little children. One passed up a better job to not miss meetings. >sigh<

The GB, DO's, CO's all honor the traditions of the Organization because it is too scary to face the fact that much of their life was spent for nothing. Popularity (peer pressure) is a great motivator. The GB gets comfort from 7 million followers ..."see...lot's of others think we are right". But many of these high level leaders know better, or at least should suspect something wrong, be brave and invetigate and take action. But that would mean admitting that their heroes (CTRussel, JFR, Knorr, Freddie) were wrong. Who wants to give up on their heroes?

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Were any of you anointed?

by TimothyT in

did any of you feel that mystical force telling you that you were of the anointed class?.

what did it feel like?

was it real?

xelder

I was considering being annointed as an alternative job skill.

If I run out of work, I can partake, pioneer, and make GB within a few years

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How many of you were in Dramas at the D.C. ?

by drewcoul in

do you remember what the drama was?

what role did you play?

what is preparation like?

xelder

I was recommended to direct a drama once, but I wasn't chosen. I was disappointed. (How Silly it seems now)

I never did a baptism talk either. I was always disappointed with that too (what a sorry looser....haha). Now I'm glad I never contributed to one of those stupid baptisms. (except for my own, a couple bible studies. and my 2 kids....who are now aware of the WTS crap)

I always had to do complex parts, lots of demonstrations, lots of rehearsals....what a waste.

thanks for making me remember the wasted years...lol...can I go have a nice Friday now?

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JWs and hard times

by xelder in

the developed world is having hard economic times.

so, for a while now jw's have been voicing the familiar "it can't go on...things are so hard".

i'm in the usa, and the economics are tough, relative to this country.

xelder

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