Posts by xelder

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Resolutions at Kingdom Hall

by sieborg in

anyhow i got to thinking today about my days in the borg and the resolutions that would intermittently be made in the announcements for co visit expenses, sending a donation to society www fund etc.

my point is that while i was in (almost thirty two years) i never once saw anyone put up their hand to vote against a resolution that the body of elders proposed.

on a couple of occasions i heard a few hushed murmurs but i never saw one person vote against.

I had the accounts servant job off and on through the years. One time, I raised my hand during the discussion of covering the CO visit. I said that their were no funds available (we were near zero in the bank account) and that we should wait a week to see if the money would come in. That got many comments and contributions and the CO got paid a week later.

Another time, we had an opinionated CO who wanted us to sell a property. The elder handling the resolution from the platform said it seemed to "be Jehovah's will and direction". I raised my hand and said that there was no evidence of divine guidance on this decision and that the majority of local elders wished to keep the property, however, it was up to the publishers to decide. They voted to keep the property.

Over the years, I witnessed several financial oddities. Usually this was not dishonesty but rather just because the elders handling the matter were so incapable.

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The Accounts Report or lack of one

by OnTheWayOut in

i am pretty sure it's still the same since i stopped attending almost 10 years ago, but this is something to think about:.

at the kingdom hall, there's an accounts report.

they say they gathered in an exact amount of money for both local expenses and worldwide work and that it exactly went to these exact expenses and this amount was sent to watchtower.

xelder

In Bakersfield, Ca for a district convention, we took in $80,000.00 for a 3 day event. About 5000 in attendance. In addition, parking tickets were sometimes sold to publishers ahead of time in the congregations at about 5.00 per car for all three days parking pass. The facility was free, city donated its use to attract JW conventions to the city. They were happy to see the hotels and restaurants be busy.

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Did you get " Counseled " about the Music you Listened to While you were a JW ?

by flipper in

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from the time i was a small boy - i loved rock n' roll music.

beatles, rolling stones, led zeppelin, hendrix.

i started getting slighted for the music i listened to as i lay in my bedroom listening on headphones to led zeppelin's song " black dog " at age 14 with my elder dad looking suspiciously at me as i'm rocking out .

xelder

Quit listening to BACH !!!! That was church music!!!

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Did you get " Counseled " about the Music you Listened to While you were a JW ?

by flipper in

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friends

from the time i was a small boy - i loved rock n' roll music.

beatles, rolling stones, led zeppelin, hendrix.

i started getting slighted for the music i listened to as i lay in my bedroom listening on headphones to led zeppelin's song " black dog " at age 14 with my elder dad looking suspiciously at me as i'm rocking out .

xelder

FLIPPER !!! you and your SATANIC debasing music!!!

The birds of heaven will be pecking out your eyeballs, then the temple of God will be cleansed. Jehovah HATES electric guitars!!! Would Jesus play your immoral music???

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Sign Of The Times by Carl Jonsson - Want to Borrow

by AnonVet in

i have read both of franz' books and am almost done carl jonsson's first book.

i was able to get this material as .pdf and read for free.. i hate to sound cheap, but i cannot find the sign of the times in .pdf.. does anybody have a link to it?

or can i borrow your copy and mail it back when done?.

xelder

AnonVet I can help email me

[email protected]

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Elder molester - Montana - 1970s - need your help please

by tazchick55 in

hi there tazchick55 here need your assistance i am trying to locate an elder who molested my sister when she was 16 without publishing his name his initials r j c he bounced around montana with his wife and another woman gawd only know what was up with that.

they never stayed in one place long i believe wify and friend were pioneers he was an elder in the bozeman/belgrade about 1976 or there about there is a good chance he is dead (one can only hope he died a painful death at any rate if you have any information let me know thanks.

xelder

tazchick55

I was there in Bozeman at that time as a kid. email me [email protected]

Maybe I know you

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CO Special Meeting with MS & Elders

by Syme in

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when the co visits a cognregation this semester, a special meeting with elders and mss is sceduled tuesday night, right after the normal meeting.

does anyone know what this meeting is about?

this special meeting is held at the beginning of the co-week, and is different from the standard meeting with personnel which is held friday evening.

xelder

I have not attended these meetings in 7 years.....but:

There have long been two meetings with the appointed brothers. First is a meeting with both MS and Elders. The second is with Elders only.

Most CO's did them together (usually Friday night). A few CO's did the first, shorter meeting on Tuesdays, saving more time for the heavy stuff with Elders on Friday evening.

That may answer your question.....but it's been awhile so who knows? I hate it that I even remember that much!!

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Your Experience with Resigning as an Elder

by committeechairman in

i'm considering resigning as an elder.

i'm not planning to fade or stop as one of jehovah's witnesses, just stop serving as an elder.. i have responsibility in the congregation and in circuit, district, rbc, etc.

and i'm completely exhausted.

xelder

Hi Chairman,

I relate to how you feel. I served for decades also ....RBC, district talks and departments, congregation responsibilities too many to mention, served temp at Bethel, etc.

I always felt guilty for not doing enough. I have now successfully faded for 3 years, talk with family and occasionally with friends still in. I got my two kids out and 5 grandkids. We are all living full happy lives of accomplishment without fear, guilt and being watched.

I couldn't tolerate DFing anymore, I couldn't stand the Pedophile policies, I was tired of giving talks defending stupid doctrine like dates, I was tired of parts on how to push magazines and push people to pioneer. Blood policy was wacko. I was a champion of conscience, not rules. I especially needed to start living my conscience. I couldn't sell their doctrine door to door.

When a pioneer quits, they get some sympathy. When an elder quits....it is assumed that he must be a bum. I am sorry for the feelings you will have and beat yourself with, but you have to define your worth outside of the opinion of the Organization Power people. Hopefully your wife and family support you.

Many of us high profile elders defined our worth by organizational acceptance and we were proud of all we accomplished. But it is just a hamster wheel that turns faster and faster and faster.

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Im new and need help!

by Batman89 in

hello everybody, before i begin i just wanna say that i have really found alot of great posts on here that have been helpful forme , theres definitely alot of brilliant people here!.

i am a born in jw(24 years old) ive been baptized for 7 years and was a ministerial servant for 4 years(i am no longer one).

recently me and my parents have have woken up to ttatt(about 2 months ago).

xelder

hey buddy, I learned ttatt at 50 years old and it took 2,3 years to clear my head and decide how to use my life. If you choose, know that there are many, many wonderful people whom you haven't met. Some are amazing, talented, we'll balanced FEMALES without watchtower cobwebs in the brain.

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Naturalism is Dead - Why Are Believers Stuck in the Past?

by Perry in

sigmund freud, karl marx and charles darwin are considered the pillars of modern western thought.

they differed in many ways but had one thing in commonthey were reductionists who claimed that all higher realms of existence could be explained by lower natural causes.

they were the pillars of naturalism.. but their ideas were tested during the twentieth century and found wanting.

xelder

Once again, a Major fail by Perry. lord jesus must be so ashamed of Perrys weak use of his power.