Posts by zengalileo

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Anybody frequent noblood.org?

by zengalileo in

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i want to encopurage all jwners to go onto the noblood.org forums and participate freely.

it is one of the more disgusting jw forums on the web.

they are trying to say that it is not a jw owned and operated website, but everybody i've enteracted with via telephone calls, emails and forum exchanges is a jw.

This site / org has many, many medical endorsements. Frankly, as the director of AJWRB, I am jealous. I want those endorsements for AJWRB. I have actually started the delicate process of contacting the hospitals that are advertized on the site and like I said, it is a delicate process. Basically when you talk to a hospital administrator, they are SOOOOO enthusiastic and positive and slapping themselves on their own backs over the fact that they have bent over backwards to make JWs feel comfortable and cared for and they are really, really, really proud of themselves for being so religiously tolerant and going along with the Watchtower game of words (like their definition of "bloodless" and "abstain") and have developed massive programs of "bloodless medicine" even to the point of hiring Jehovah's Witnesses and HLC members to start up and run the programs. (sigh...)

Well, if these hospital administrators so much as smell a questioning tone in you, they cut you off and stop talking to you. It is bizarre. I can't figure out why this is. But apparently the Society has invested man power, time, donations, money etc. to these hospitals to develop these programs, and the Watchtower's involvement and donations for hospitals goes back many years. Some of the administrators told me that they haqve had JWs on staff running bloodless programs since the 1980s. That is plenty of time to affect the culture of the hospitals they work at. One administrator for a hospital in San Ramon actually said, "Yeah we are so pro-Jehovah's Witness here." I just went dumb when she said that. It just seemed very odd. So I said, "Well so am I." And I am. Frankly if the hospitals are saving lives then I am for it. But I have a feeling that religious freedom and religious rights is more important than saving lives in these hospitals. I'm still checking things out though. But as a new comer, they are very leary of me and my motives. Like I said, the Watchtower has been setting up bloodless programs since the 1980s.

Hence, noblood.org, the main propaganda arm of the "blood is evil movement," has a lot of cash and a lot of credibility andf a lot of contacts and endorsements. There are non-JW people on the forums and actual doctors and nurses. But there are also LPNs and nurse's assistants that go on there and admit to pushing bloodless medicine on their patients. One bed pan nurse actually admitted to giving medical advice contrary to the doctor at her hospital. Apparently doing that is tolerated by the moderators, but suggesting that maybe some people just need a blood transfusion every once in a while is considered hate speech against JWs.Basically JWs view the noblood thing as a cause and a movement and they feel it their duty to promote noblood even to non JWs.

I sure wish the founders of AJWRB were still around to lend a hand in developing an outreach to hospitals. If any AJWRB founders are on JWN, like Marvin Shilmer (who is still active as a writer by the way) contact me and help me make connections to the medical community. But one way you all can be activists is to join the noblood.org forums (and the AJWRB.org forums too!) and keep the tough questions going to JWs. You just might save a life by doing that little action.

peace love and zen

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Anybody frequent noblood.org?

by zengalileo in

jw
friends

i want to encopurage all jwners to go onto the noblood.org forums and participate freely.

it is one of the more disgusting jw forums on the web.

they are trying to say that it is not a jw owned and operated website, but everybody i've enteracted with via telephone calls, emails and forum exchanges is a jw.

zengalileo

I want to encopurage all JWNers to go onto the noblood.org forums and participate freely. It is one of the more disgusting JW forums on the web. They are trying to say that it is not a JW owned and operated website, but everybody I've enteracted with via telephone calls, emails and forum exchanges is a JW. The forum is moderated by JWs who INTENSELY weed out anything: negative about JWs, any information that suggests that blood transfusions aren't evil, and anything that suggests "non-blood" medicine (which hopefully you all know does not really exist) is not MAGIC.

The main problem I have with noblood.org however, is that there are Jehovah's Witnesses who are not medical professionals claiming to be medical professionals and giving medical aqdvice on life or death situations. One big offender on this is a man named Jan B. Wade.

Jan B. Wade is a janitorial supplies salesman from Bellingham, Washington, who has never finished high school and never been to college. This he admitted to me on the phone. YET, he claims on the website to be a medical professional, and he routinely tells people to take his advice in medical matters over the advice of their own doctors. He has never worked in the medical field and has never been paid for his medical knowledge or know-how, which is zero anyway. He was an HLC member for many years, and claims to be a medical consultant, but has admitted to me that he has never been paid as a medical consultant. He has no licenses that are medically relevant. And this man is just one on the noblood.org team that is claiming to be something he is not, and endangering lives of people by advising them to go against the advice of their doctors.

If anyone on this forum is enraged as I am about this guy, please go on noblood.org and demand that he stop advertising himself as a medical professional and that he stop giving medical advice, which has to be illegal i hope anyway. Then perouse the forum and keep a barf bag close because you will read the most disgiuisting lies about blood, magical non-blood medicine and all sorts of JW urban legeds about blood. Take part in the forum if you want, but like I say it is moderated by Nazi JWs, and probably very well funded by the Watchtower.

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Fallen humans are the MEDIATOR between God and man - WBT$ reaffirms

by Fernando in

some have been wondering if the watchtower might reinstate jesus after disfellowshipping him as the one mediator between god and man.. apparently not.. "future light" from march 2012 reaffirms that jesus has been indefinitely replaced by a ruling religious clergy class of mediators.. "those in the covenant are few, a mere 144,000. through them, millions from all nations will be blessed with everlasting life in an earthly paradise.

" (w2012 mar 01 p17, http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/wp_e_20120301.pdf).. "the anointed" in the nt/nc scriptures is always "ho kristos" or "the christ" - who the wbt$ has openly replaced (for several decades now) with a small group of fallen humans (11,824 false christs in 2011) who the blind sanhedrin (gb) lyingly claim to represent.. .

(thanks to "therevealer" for posting the above watchtower mar 2012 quote two days ago)..

zengalileo

I thought this was a pretty great post from dough and fernando. What's the deal with "Designs" getting her panties in a bunch? And why is this harmless benign thread have a big thumbs down on it? I don't get the big deal here.

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Do you miss "dressing up" for the meetings?

by dozy in

i was thinking about this the other day when doing a bit of tidying up of my wardrobe.

all the kh suits are now pushed to the back of the wardrobe and i am seriously thinking about a visit to the charity shop to get rid of most of them.. for me one of the (few) enjoyable aspects of being a jw was getting dressed up.

my secular work very rarely involves putting on a dress suit & tie so i miss getting dressed up - smart suit , tie , shiny shoes , slapping on the aftershave.

zengalileo

All my suits are eaten up by moths. I don't even have a single tie that is usable for anything other than rope or a rag. I have been on a dozen job interviews, one for teaching that I landed, but I still dod not dress in a suit. I honestly can't remember the last time I put on a tie, but its been years. When I was at Bethel it was, dress with a tie for morning worship at 7am, at 7:35 walk to the locker room undress for morning worship and dress for work, be at work by 7:45 or 7:50. Then at 11:50am (depending on the department you are in, construction workers who were obviously more of a mess than other department workers would get off to dress for lunch a little earlier) undress out of work clothes, and dress back with a tie for dinner (lunch) at 12:15pm. Then at 12:35, walk back to the locker room, change back into work clothes, and go back to work by 12:50pm or so. Then at 4:55pm, go back to the locker room, undress from work clothes, dress back into button up shirt (tie not required for lunch or supper actually, but it was encouraged) and be at supper by 5:30pm. Then on meeting nights, one would return to their room, undress from their dress clothes, and dress in even dressier clothes for the meeting, and leave for the meeting at about 6:15pm depending on how far out you had to drive for your meetings. 1 hour drives were common. For me I think we had to leave at 6:05 to get to Saugerties on time.

Then when I got home ;ate at night, I would undress from my dressier clothes and dress in "going to bed" clothes which was usually shorts, so I could walk down the hall in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom iof I needed. Then the next day I would do it all over again. That whole thing times 365x6...

So, yeah, I really miss dressing up.

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God: The Abusive Boyfriend

by baltar447 in

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http://conversationalatheist.com/general-essays/god-the-abusive-boyfriend/.

ways the christian god is like the most extreme version of an abusive (and possibly psychotic) boyfriend:needs constant praise and makes you feel guilty for just being human.has severe jealousy issues.he lets painful experiences happen to you that he could easily prevent, just to test your devotion to him.claims credit for everything good in your life; claims nothing bad in your life comes from him.threatens you with eternal torture if you ever leave him.he is constantly swearing that he loves you and you need him.

(thanks richard collins).ways to tell if you are in danger of being taken advantage of in a relationship with this abusive god:you are highly defensive of him from even the slightest criticism of his flaws.you talk to him every night, and he never responds yet still expects unwavering devotion.

zengalileo

Awesome.

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What can ex-JWs learn from Harvey Milk?

by zengalileo in

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if you haven't seen the movie "milk" starring sean penn, or is you have not seen a documentary or read up on harvey milk, then it'll be hard for you to have an opinion on this.. this is not a "gay" thread.

the fact that harvey milk was gay and was a civil rights leadewr for the gay movement has nothing to do with the point i will make here.. harvey milk when he was campaingning for city supervisor for san francisco and fighting against prop 6 in the mid 70s came upon some marketing research that said, where a person actually knows a gay person, they vote favorably towards gay civil rights 2 to 1. this made him come up with his policy that everyone working on his campaign that had not come out as gay to their freinds and family, had to come out.

i'm not sure if there were any consequences if someone just refused to come out; the movie didn't say and neither did the documentary.. .

zengalileo

ABIBle student's idea of a more soft, anonymous coming out has already been tried thousands of times. anonymous this. anonymous that. It is anonymity that keeps the watchtower strong. The whole strategy behind shunning is that either people will come back in out of extreme black mail, or they will just crawl off into the bushes and die never to be seen again.

Don't you see that "triggering shunning" is the only way to fight it. It's time to call the Watchtower out to a public brawl, not leave snappy messages behind in a paper chase. A 2 to 1 margin (by the way I was wrong above about 2 to 1 being the same as 2 out of 3. actually 2 to 1 is actually more like 3 out of 4. Correct me if I'm wrong any math people) means that most people if they actually KNOW an "apostate" will be favorable towards them, and probably NOT shun them. That is not a sure thing because this is not the Gay rights issue and other dynamics come to play in it. But no matter what, not EVERY JW will shun their family members who come out as a non believer. But no matter the percentage of JWs who will refuse to shun their family, the fact that enormous amounts of people will get disfellowshipped will trigger a responbse in the worldly world hopefully. I am literally saying that families will be destroyed irrepairably over this. I am ADVOCATING the deliberate destruction of all families that are propped up on the lie of the Watchtower. as long as we continue in silence about our true feelings and beliefs about the Watchtower, the Watchtower wins. They designed it to work this way and it is woprking due to a lack of EXTRA Courage and zeal for the truth.

People are valuing family at all cost ideology rather than a truth at all cost ideology. Sure there should be a balance between truth and sabotaging a decent family. One need not be wreckless about coming out. But the power of my idea lies in tyhe inevitability that families will be destroyed. People may even commit suicide over this. It happened in the Gay Rights movement no one can deny.

Lies do have a place in society. I am not saying we all have to tell our wives that they look fat in a dress. But if you believ, as I do that the Watchtower is hurting people, then this calls for a summoning of courage among all supporters of the Watchtower who inside their hearts do not support it.

Think about a national coming out day.

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QFR WT MARCH 15TH - PORN - D/F

by stillajwexelder in

i assume you are all aware of this by now.

qfr could a christians practice of viewing pornography.

become so bad that it results in his being expelled.

zengalileo

I've never "Just stumbled" upon porn before. I don't get how that could happen. If I search "pussy" however, I knjow I am going to get some porn. You have to be aware of what wordss are dual meaning and likely to get you some porn. As a teacher, I have to keep my computer clean of any porn, and so far I have been able to do that without a problem. I have never been attacked by porn as it were.

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What can ex-JWs learn from Harvey Milk?

by zengalileo in

jw
friends

if you haven't seen the movie "milk" starring sean penn, or is you have not seen a documentary or read up on harvey milk, then it'll be hard for you to have an opinion on this.. this is not a "gay" thread.

the fact that harvey milk was gay and was a civil rights leadewr for the gay movement has nothing to do with the point i will make here.. harvey milk when he was campaingning for city supervisor for san francisco and fighting against prop 6 in the mid 70s came upon some marketing research that said, where a person actually knows a gay person, they vote favorably towards gay civil rights 2 to 1. this made him come up with his policy that everyone working on his campaign that had not come out as gay to their freinds and family, had to come out.

i'm not sure if there were any consequences if someone just refused to come out; the movie didn't say and neither did the documentary.. .

zengalileo

If you haven't seen the movie "MILK" starring Sean Penn, or is you have not seen a documentary or read up on Harvey Milk, then it'll be hard for you to have an opinion on this.

This is not a "gay" thread. The fact that harvey Milk was gay and was a civil rights leadewr for the gay movement has nothing to do with the point I will make here.

Harvey Milk when he was campaingning for City supervisor for San Francisco and fighting against Prop 6 in the mid 70s came upon some marketing research that said, where a person actually knows a gay person, they vote favorably towards gay civil rights 2 to 1. This made him come up with his policy that everyone working on his campaign that had not come out as gay to their freinds and family, had to come out. I'm not sure if there were any consequences if someone just refused to come out; the movie didn't say and neither did the documentary.

How this applies to ex-JWs

I've gone on a few rants about how I think every non believing JW still living a lie should just come out. And I'm always slapped down pretty hard by people who insist that I'm not being "understanding about their situation" or that I'm being judgmental. so I am going to try hard to not be judgmental here. But I figure, in the very least, we should have a national day of "coming out of the Watchtower." I have suggested before the first day of spring as that day each year when practicing JWs who no longer believe in it, come out to their friends and family.

Do I know what I am saying?

Yes. I know that this will mean instant shunning for many who do this. That is why I am not ASKING anybody to do this. I am just putting it out there into the consciousness of the universe, so that those who feel a kinship with the suggestion may act upon it of they so desire.

I am not saying that JWs who no longer believe lack courage. But I would like to just make the general statement that, what such a decision would require, (coming out of the Watchtower) is EXTRA COURAGE. courage above and beyond normal courage. Courage that says "truth is nmore important than my family staying together based on some delusion or shared lie." or, "Freedom is more important than friends or family that when put to the test, will drop you like a ton of lead for going against the Watchtower Co.

I get it that this is a very unpopular opinion. But, getting back to Harvey Milk, if 2 out of 3 people vote favorably to a cause if they know someone in that cause, well, then, there is going to be a great multitude of people, JWs, who just REFUSE to shun their own flesh and blood. It ALREADY happens that way. A certain percentage of JWs actually do not shun their family members even though it is breaking the rules. That is just a fact.

But if incredible droves of people started comeing out of the Watchtower, coming out as a non-believer in it, if all those who came out were shunned, this would create an incredible social/sopcietal holocaust. Tens of thousands of families would be destroyed. Individuals would be homeless, suicides would take place in great numbers, all sorts of societal catastrophes would happen, and nonJWs, worldly people just wouldn't stand for it any more. They would pass legislation to outlaw shunning due to the incredible harm it perpetuates upon society in general.

I believe that IF mass amounts of people were to come out, especially suddenly all on one day, we would have ourselves a real civil rights movement on our hands, whereas now, we got what we got in terms of rights against a religious corporation. The corporation has all the rights. There is no such thing as "Interorganizational civil rights...YET!" Only if people were to start coming out like crazy can we ever hope to get more attention and someday get some support from ther government. Right now the ACLU fiercely defends the Watchtower's and other religions' right to shun. They need to see the destruction that this practice does before they will ever see us as a group of people with rights.

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It's Time to Stop Saying...

by zengalileo in

it's time to stop saying that jehovah's witnesses do not accept blood transfusions.

it just isn't true any longer.

i have posted documentary evidence of jws world wide accepting whole platelets , whole plasma, whole white blood cells, their own whole blood after it being stored up to six hours, and evidence of them saying they are "very happy" that the courts ordered the transfusion of their children saving their lives.

zengalileo

Thanks for pointing that out Marvin. I'll get on that link right away. I thought we fixed that once before, so I don't know why it's not working.

As to why I decided to word the link the way I did, well:

The problem with simply saying JWs accept plasma and platelets is that every JW AND every doctor is going to simply say, "No they don't. I know better. I deal with JWs every day..." and then they will not look into it further. When I say NOW, I am annopuncing officially that we have anecdotal eveidence of a JW accepting plasma and platelets, it is in a peer reviewed article, and the patient in question was not punished, however they did die. I'm not trying to MIS lead anybody, I am trying to LEAD them to the undeniable FACT that JWs are no different than any other population out there who accepts ALL forms of blood transfusions.

My goal is to save lives. As the Watchtower continues to retrain its people to accept blood transfusions and not punish them for it, I feel an obligation to report this to Jehovah's Witnesses. The doctrinal change and the admission of being wrong, let's face it, may never come. But Jehovah's Witnesses accepting blood transfusions, that is happening NOW, right now. AJWRB in the past HINTED at this fact, but now it is going to become the central message of AJWRB. JWs accept blood. JWs accept blood. Only a small fraction of extremist or fundamentalist JWs and some real old timers still reject blood.

"so we just need to word this right and play their same game of semantics" YES. This is what the medical community is doing. They are playing along with JWs in their delusion that they do not accpet blood transfusions. If it will save lives then I support that. But in the meantime, I have decided to not play the Watchtower's silly game of semantics. They can say they reject blood all they want. But the fact is, they accept blood transfusions, NOW.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

zen

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The music that moves you....

by FlyingHighNow in

once when i was profoundly sad for too many days, my brother in law sent us a mix tape.

he named each song after a person in our family.

this is the one he named heather.

zengalileo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIDj0SVWeBU&ob=av2e