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  Church Extends Authority to Absolve Sin of Abortion for Papal Visit

  by leavingwt in

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  church extends authority to absolve sin of abortion for papal visit.

  the vatican has given authority to priests who are in madrid during the popes visit there to give absolution to women who confess to having had an abortion - and has empowered priests to lift excommunications for such women.. typically, only certain priests have the power to grant absolution for the sin of abortion and to lift excommunications that have resulted from terminated pregnancies, according to a vatican spokesman.. .

  all the priests that are administering the sacrament of confession during world youth day have the general authority to give absolution from the penalty of excommunication for abortion if someone comes to confession... if someone has this need, vatican spokesman rev.

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  I do dislike the fact that the "rules" are being toyed with.

  The only rule involved is Exodus 20:13. That has not been changed. The only difference is an administrative adjustment to accommodate the expected surge of penitents, nothing more.

  How come a woman who had an abortion in say, Argentina, but never went to the World day, would not get the same treatment?

  She could get the same treatment at home: confession at any Catholic church she chooses for forgiveness of the sin, and lifting of the automatic excommunication for securing an abortion from the local bishop or from any priest to whom the bishop delegated that authority. The only "news" in Madrid is that hundreds of visiting priests have received that delegation for the duration of the event, to accommodate the great crowd present at the event.
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  NAME ONE USEFUL THING done by Russell, Rutherford, F.Franz

  by Terry in

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  simple question: pastor russell must have accomplished as least on practical thing in his life.

  pyramidology?

  divine plan of the ages chart?

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  I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but Rutherford being such an absolute prick did force some issues of religious freedom to be heard by the US Supreme Court, the decsions of which have benefited more than just JWs over the decades.

  Sometimes this happened when they lost. In Prince v. Massachusetts the Supreme Court held that religion did not exempt Witnesses from child labor laws (the labor of selling Watchtower and Consolation magazines on public streets). In the court's words:

  It is the interest of youth itself, and of the whole community, that children be both safeguarded from abuses and given opportunities for growth into free and independent well developed men and citizens..
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  Matt 19:6 - WTB$ preaches the sanctity of marriage but see what happens when one partner leaves the bOrg!

  by punkofnice in

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  2. experiences

  mrs punk was not a happy bunny when i announced i was leaving the wtb$ as it was all a big farce.. she has been quite rude to me, she walked out one weekend and came back 2 days later from staying with a relative.

  she told me about all the negative reasons i left (attributing the 'evil' to me and none to the holy 7 headed beast the gb).

  she has told the teenage kids they are not to listen to me.. she refuses to talk bible and gives me the 'talk to the hand sign' on the basis she refuses to listen to my 'spiritual pornography' (now there's an appealing thought!!).

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  Although the WTB$ pay lip service to the sanctity of marriage and will boldly declare they do not break up families, the 'mind cleansing' the JWs are under causes the opposite.

  There is plenty of subversive pressure and nagging advertizing wives of unbelieving mates can do to hound their husbands to have their 'minds cleansed' to WTB$ specification.

  AMEN , brother Punk! That pressure is a powerful force that refuse to be contained: if the UBM doesn't crack, the marriage usually will.

  Funny how as an apostate, I know more about the drivel they teach than when I went.

  @Mary: Yes, that seems odd--but there is an explanation. When things start falling apart, either losing faith in the organization or when a marriage starts falling apart, you want to understand why that's happening. It's human nature; you want to find the problem and hope that leads to fixing a cherished relationship. You keep trying, thus losing more and more of your blissful ignorance, until you finally admit the situation is beyond salvation.

  That isn't unique to apostates, we UBMs go through the same awakening.
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  Church Extends Authority to Absolve Sin of Abortion for Papal Visit

  by leavingwt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  church extends authority to absolve sin of abortion for papal visit.

  the vatican has given authority to priests who are in madrid during the popes visit there to give absolution to women who confess to having had an abortion - and has empowered priests to lift excommunications for such women.. typically, only certain priests have the power to grant absolution for the sin of abortion and to lift excommunications that have resulted from terminated pregnancies, according to a vatican spokesman.. .

  all the priests that are administering the sacrament of confession during world youth day have the general authority to give absolution from the penalty of excommunication for abortion if someone comes to confession... if someone has this need, vatican spokesman rev.

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  From the linked article: "... the Vatican often extends authority to absolve certain sins and to lift excommunications at big papal events." There is no "new light" involved, only procedural adjustment to meet a temporary need.

  Lifting excommunication is normally the purview of the local bishop, but they are empowered to delegate that function to other priests of their diocese. The special situation in Madrid is that other clergy, who are not under authority of the Madrid diocese, will be on duty during World Youth Day. Considering the size of the crowds at that event, the local bishop and priests couldn't possibly meet the demand so they're having visiting clergy help out. That's a very brief summary; read more about this on Fr. Z's blog (about one page down) if you're interested.
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  Where is Snowbird?

  by leavingwt in

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  sylvia, i hope you're doing well.

  if the weather will ever cool off, down here, we should organize another fish fry.. .

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  Missing you, Sylvia. You bring much wit, warmth and friendship to the board. If you're lurking, please take good care of yourself!
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  What is the oldest car you have owned?

  by moshe in

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  here is mine- a 1947 chrysler windsor club coupe.

  i overhauled the engine under a big oak tree- push button starter- flat head 6cyl engine- a carry over from ww2 technology.

  a real tube radio, which after i fixed, could pick up am stations over 500 miles away- seats like an over stuffed sofa.

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  Nice bug, Brizzy! I see you got the matching tennies to go with it.

  I had an orange '74, but that was long ago.
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  That Magical Number: 2,520

  by Quendi in

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  i wanted to relate this experience i had on sunday while renewing ties with an old friend.

  we argued about the meaning of daniel 4 and nebuchadnezzar's "tree dream".

  my friend had insisted this dream told the reader the length of the gentile times.

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  Did he Claim God foresaw the measurements in the 19th century would be in "inches" therefore he laid out the Pyramid in "inches?

  Russell, among others, used pyramid inches to make the Stone Prophet say what he wanted it to say. The difference is only 0.1%, but that was enough to adjust the prophetic chronology by several years.
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  Bloodless Medicine to be used in the US Army

  by Dagney in

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  http://wn.com/us_military_decides_to_abstain_from_blood_!_www_keepvid_com.

  received today in an email...with lots of "praise jah's!!!".

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  Hamsterbait said it! The army has a limited supply of blood in combat zones, and they use it only if they need to. It's triage in action: "You're not so bad off, you don't need a transfusion!" The crucial difference: the Army is acting rationally by basing blood use on medical considerations; the WT is acting irrationally by denying blood based on organization policy.
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  Absolutely!

  by IMHO in

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  why is everyone using the word "absolutely" these days, in answer to every other question..

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  Evidently!
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  Watchtower's view on gambling changed?

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just got off the phone with my mom and she told me my daughter had told her that the society has recently relaxed its rules on gambling.

  she said something about some folks could be a card dealer and a jw.

  has anyone heard anything in this regard?.

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  GLTirebiter

  Perhaps New Light will shine if the GB ever needs bingo revenue to pay the bills...you could sit at the DC marking your cards while eating lunch...the center free box could say "undeserved kindness".