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  Apostate originally meant "Runaway Slave"...!!!

  by ziddina in

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  according to the oxford dictionary - and this is a fact that has escaped the attention of the american dictionary companies - the greek origins of the word "apostate", originally meant a "runaway slave"..... how fitting!!!.

  http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/apostate.

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  Some slaves are so unfaithful and indiscreet--the nerve of them, running away from the overseers!
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  You might have a problem when the conversation ends with your wife walking away from you...fingers in her ears.....yelling " Jehovah help me! Jehovah help me!"

  by oompa in

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  but when they end like that three times....it's strike three... or maybe it was strike #3,333,333.......but it is sad and painful for us both i know.....a person must be in a very very bad place to act like that in front a man you have loved and been intimate with for 15 years....and at that moment i am satan in front of her....a begging pleading attempting to reason satan...but still satan to her and her friends.....but this nice woman needs satan out of her life now....oompa.

  i am not a bad person...i am not satan...i asked her why she thought i had tried so hard....told her that if she was in a burning building just how hard would she think i would try to get her out??

  she did not like that analogy either...so i have started the painful process...the building is going to burn to the ground now....and i will never put her through that fingers in ears thing again.... and i will be fair and reasonable....and pay her the alimony and give her half....i could so be a satan to her in divorce....but i won't!...i can at least prove to them all that i am decent man...and not mentally diseased or satan.....and ahhhhh i feel good about that....plus both my boys are free now...

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  ...so I have started the painful process...and I will be fair and reasonable.....I can at least prove to them all that I am decent man...

  Oompa, I'm sorry you're going through this. It hurts, and there are no winners in the game--only survivors. Keep on being that decent man. You might give up the companionship and half the assets, but don't let anybody take your self-respect.

  Practical advice: if at possible, start negotiating the settlement with her now. The more you agree on in advance the less you'll spend on lawyers, and the sooner it's over the sooner you can both start healing.

  Have faith, there is an end in sight!
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  You people do good work

  by irondork in

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  the roomie is out!.

  she started out understanding why i left and she was supportive of my decision but she still believed the wts to have the truth.

  i understood how she felt.

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  So it was, so it is. She's my best friend and we probably will grow old together in the same house anyway so the details are irrelevant at this point.

  That means you're doing better than many couples--in particular, being able to talk and really listen to each other.

  In other words, you do good work too--she'd probably still be "in", if not for your good influence!
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  Book study potlucks/treat-nights/ice cream soicals, etc.

  by Joliette in

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  did any of you guys have these at your book study?.

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  Ex's study group had regular "treat nights", right up until the book studies were moved out of private homes and combined with the TMS meetings at the Kingdom Hall. That was a shame, she and the kids looked forward to it and had fun making new things to share when it was their turn to bring the goodies. Another innocent pleasure gone; yet agian it becomes more and more like working for Ebenezer Scrooge, Inc.
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  If your mate remains in the org...

  by Silent_Scream in

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  some here have had the bonus of their mate leaving with them.

  unfortunately, my wife is die-hard.

  everything in the org makes sense and if it don't, thats fine too.

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  As far as sinning, thats the only way she can move on and do EVERYTHING she wants to do. You know how that will hinder her unless she has legal and scriptural grounds for divorce

  Nothing obligates you to do something you don't want to do and believe is wrong, just to accommodate choices she wants to make. Her desire to be the wife of a "spiritually strong brother" does not obligate you to go "sinning" just to appease the Watchtower pharisees. Don't burden yourself with all the blame; she is reponsible for her share, and must accept the consequences that come with her own choices.

  Further comment and opinion...please decide for yourself if you want to use this approach! The Watchtower uses Matt 5:31-32 and Matt 19:9 to justify their rules. If she or the elders pressure you about "scriptural grounds", cite Mark 10:5-12 and Luke 16:18. These Gospels do not allow the Watchtower's interpretation. Matthew's Gospel uses the Greek word "porneia"--which sometimes means "fornication" or "adultery", but also can be other forms of immorality (such as "incest"). Some translators word this so that Jesus does not advocate that one wrong (adultery) justifies another (divorce), by translating "porneia" as "illicit marriage" or "the marriage is unlawful" in this context. In other words, divorce is allowed only when the marriage itself constitutes an immoral act, so that divorce would rectify the sin--not compound it.
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  HAPPY WEDDING ANNIVERSARY CANTLEAVE AND NUGGET!

  by Pams girl in

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  two fabulous individuals who bring such a lot to this forum!.

  have a fantastic day together .

  heres to many more x. love paula and kev x.

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  May you have many more together!
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  Ali is back in the hospital

  by coffee_black in

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  my daughter, ali, is back in the hospital.

  probably something wrong with her pacemaker.

  she had a cold with a bad cough last week, and a lead may have come loose.

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  I'm sorry that Ali ia hurting again. Bronchitis and pacemaker problems, that's a lot for somebody so young to be dealing with! I hope she will recvoer soon.
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  Did You Feel Bad For "Unbelieving Mates" That Would Go To Meetings?

  by minimus in

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  i did.. typically, it was the jw wife that pleaded with her hubby to please go and the husband, because he loved his wife/ family went along and endured the boring mundane meetings.. isn't it funny how everyone would cozy up to the "unbeliever" and invite him to "gatherings" even though he was very "worldly"?

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  They always seemed VERY uncomfortable. Bored and squirming in their seats. It was obvious to me even as a child that they did not believe that crap and thought we were all cuckoo.

  I went to the Kingdom Hall a couple of times (under duress), to hear the BiLs' first 'Talks' when they made the grade to become 'Ministerial Servant' (plus a wedding every other year or so). You can only occupy yourself so long, covertly counting how many times they cite their own publications vs. how few for the Bible upon which they claim to base their teachings, how many 'pure language" buzzwords that each speaker and question-answerer scrupulously used, listening for various logical fallacies, and hearing the same exact same 'Wedding Talk' every time (no matter which Elder was officiating).

  Other than that, it was peeking at my watch, wondering "When they this finally be over?", and remembering how uncomfortable it is to wear neckties and suit coats in July.

  Overall, sitting through that for the sake of some temporary family peace was what Catholics call redemptive suffering:

  "Therefore, we are not discouraged; rather, although our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. For this momentary light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison..." (2 Cor 4:16-17)

  In other words, if you don't believe in Purgatory, just go to a meeting and experience it yourself!
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  The CULT that rarely gets called a CULT...but sure does look like a CULT...

  by Unlearn in

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  i found this list below on another site.. you've no doubt seen these lists...or lists similar to them: they give you marked ways to identify a cult.. now, i'm sure many of us agree that these signs eerily match a certain watchtower-slangin' group we're all familiar with.. and im sure that what i'm about to bring up has probably been discussed here sometime before 'my' time.. but, look at these 'cult i.d.

  symptoms' below...and let your mind go.

  : let your mind freely wander.. who else do these signs apply to...if you think wider?

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  -The leader of the group sets himself up as the sole conduit between man and god. He alone is 'the way'.
  -The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
  -Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
  -The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save hu manity.
  -The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
  -The leader is not accountable to any authorities except god (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
  -The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
  -Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
  -The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
  -Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
  -The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

  Political parties!
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  I'll Be Leaving Here

  by minimus in

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  in case you don't see me here, i thought you should know that i am done here!

  why??

  because i'm going on a cruise to bermuda tomorrow for a week and i will be fondly thinking of each and every one of you while i bask on the beaches and enjoy the weather.. bye..

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  Bon Voyage!