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  They want it both ways

  by jeremiah18:5-10 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  several years ago the wts stopped announcing individuals who were df'd as, "so-and-so has been disfellowshipped" and instead began announcing, "so-and-so is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses".

  this seems to be rather important to me.

  undoubtedly this change was fueled by legal issues raised by someone who was df'd and impacted in some way perhaps financially.

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  GLTirebiter

  it's well-known that most religions DO ex-communicate members as a means of punishment (behavior modification),

  There are significant differences between WT disfellowshipping and excommunication as practiced by most Christian sects:

  (1) WT makes a public display of doing so, rather than doing so privately.

  (2) WT insists that all in the congregation ignore and shun the person in a mass display of humilitation, rather than limiting the punishment to exclusion from the community worship.

  (3) WT requires a long period of public repentance and humiliation for the person to be reunited with the congregation, rather than a quick (often immediate) reconciliation upon expressing repentance.

  (4) Because of the public action (1), encouragement for person-to-person punishment (2), and the continued sanctions even after repentance (3), the effects may linger indefinitely. This is not the closure promised by "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more" (John 8:11)
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  They want it both ways

  by jeremiah18:5-10 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  several years ago the wts stopped announcing individuals who were df'd as, "so-and-so has been disfellowshipped" and instead began announcing, "so-and-so is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses".

  this seems to be rather important to me.

  undoubtedly this change was fueled by legal issues raised by someone who was df'd and impacted in some way perhaps financially.

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  GLTirebiter

  It's CYA double-talk, courtesy of the ultimate Governing Body: the WT legal department.
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  What's The Main Reason You Do Not Believe That The Witnesses Are The Best Religion?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some people leave because they are fed up with the elders.

  others have personality issues.

  some have doctrinal and prophecy reasons.

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  GLTirebiter

  Because their insane, ever-changing blood policy kills people.
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  I Think My Marriage Is Over...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know exactly what happened... he thinks i'm going to die at the big a and wants to be with someone he can live forever with.... we have two girls, ages 3 and 1... i really thought we'd make it despite the religion, now i really don't think so... not sure what to do... .

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  GLTirebiter

  I see one piece of advice here that I would be wary of: installing a keylogger or other "spyware" on the computer. Get sound legal advice about the laws in your state befiore doing that, and also about whether the court is likely to look on it unfavorably even if it is within the letter of the law. Please don't do anything that could hurt you in the long run!
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  How old are you?

  by sooner7nc in

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  post your age...only if you want to.

  do it anyway.. i'm 42..

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  GLTirebiter

  "Another year older (and deeper in debt)"

  Late 50's
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  I Think My Marriage Is Over...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know exactly what happened... he thinks i'm going to die at the big a and wants to be with someone he can live forever with.... we have two girls, ages 3 and 1... i really thought we'd make it despite the religion, now i really don't think so... not sure what to do... .

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  GLTirebiter

  I'm sorry to hear this, Cognac. If you're going to counseling and still can't patch it up, there is not much else you can do. Carefully consider what is best for your children (it sounds like you're already doing this), then choose accordingly.

  He thinks I'm going to die at the big A and wants to be with someone he can live forever with...

  You could point out that his on-line behavior means he's toast at the Big A himself:

  Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers... [1 Corinithians 6:9]

  But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart. [Matthew 5:28]
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  Are you on vacation this week?

  by moshe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i always loved getting away on winter break.

  we usually went to florida and now i live in florida, so i vacation at home!

  where did you go for your winter break?

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  GLTirebiter

  Yes, I need to "use it or lose it" at this time of year. Just staying home and sleeping in.
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  Good Reasons To Hate Every Weak And Ex-Jehovah Witness.

  by AuntConnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. my husband's time is finite, it's wasted on spouses arguing over money, sex or family mattters with stupid home visits.. .

  i hate people's constant open hand for money, it's the weak individuals asking others to pull their weight.

  my family worked extra hours instead of begging the strong members for district assembly money, cat food for seven cats or tiny little rag-a-muffins weiner dogs.. .

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  GLTirebiter

  Why don't you allow members with perfect meeting attendance, special seating during the week of special activity? I hate it when the old stay-at-home cripples suck up the premium seats, reserved for spot-less Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Do status symbols such as "premium seats" matter that much to you? Are you there to take in the spiritual food, or are you there to be seen? Let's see what the Scriptures say:

  He told a parable to those who had been invited, noticing how they were choosing the places of honor at the table. "When you are invited by someone to a wedding banquet, do not recline at table in the place of honor. A more distinguished guest than you may have been invited by him, and the host who invited both of you may approach you and say, ‘Give your place to this man,' and then you would proceed with embarrassment to take the lowest place. Rather, when you are invited, go and take the lowest place so that when the host comes to you he may say, ‘My friend, move up to a higher position.' Then you will enjoy the esteem of your companions at the table. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted." [Luke 14:7-11]

  All their works are performed to be seen. They widen their phylacteries and lengthen their tassels. They love places of honor at banquets, seats of honor in synagogues, greetings in marketplaces, and the salutation ‘Rabbi.’ [Matthew 23:5-7]

  Should we follow the example of the Pharisees, or that of humble servants of the Lord?

  Welcome to the forum, fellow servant!
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  Are JW'S "hated" in all the world? Or...are they considered IRRELEVANT?

  by Terry in

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  2. friends

  wathctower 90/1/1 p. 12 par.

  8 not ashamed of the good news .

  while it is true that jehovahs witnesses are hated and opposed in all the nations of the earth, this is in fulfillment of what was foretold to be an identifying mark of genuine worshipers of the one living and true god.

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  "The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference." -- Elie Wiesel

  The Witnesses would rather be hated ("proof" that they are spreading The Truth) than be ignored. If they were hated, that would mean they are important in what they believe to be the grand scheme of things. Indifference and pity affect the cult psyche more outright hostility ever could. Cults are about being special, about having something outsiders are jealous of. A shrug of the shoulders can threaten the cult mindset more than harsh words.
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  Do People Believe We Are Condemned B/c of Adam and Eve?

  by Band on the Run in

  1. jw
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  i find the notion that we inheirited sin through adam and eve to be a quaint, silly notion.

  if you believe in the power of god, why would god create such a flawed creation?

  few people believe the stories in genesis.

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  GLTirebiter

  That would mean that god is guessing and some percentage of the time, would be wrong. That's is not knowing the future, that's guessing.

  No, that means knowning while not intervening. The outcome of the choice was foreseen, but the choice was freely made.