today's high school students in the usa:.
less than 1/2 of them cannot identify the century when our civil war happened.. one in four thought columbus discovered america sometime after 1750.. one in three cannot name one right enumerated in the bill of rights.. three out of four cannot name the first us president.. two out of three do not know the length of term of a member of the house of representatives.. half cannot find britain on a map.. one out of four cannot find america on a map.. when my oldest daughter, who is now a physician was in 9th grade in this once-great state of california, i asked her about the three branches of our federal government.
she was clueless and told me she would take civics in her junior year in high school.
After four years and about $40,000
That's about right for the heavily subsidized "in state" rate at the State University. Full price out-of-state rates and private college tuition is far higher, with top schools charging around $40,000 for tuiton. Room, board, books and other fees are considerably more. Plan on about a quarter-million for four years living on-campus at a good private university. Ouch!
if you threaten the commmitee with a lawsuit, each of you.
will hear from my lawyer if you df me today.
all you have, every penny.
When threatened with legal action, the elders are to contact the branch office immediately. The organization has a legal department with considerable expertise and experience. Do not under-estimate them!
howdy!
i have been out of the jw's for about five years now.
it has been about four years since i've posted.
Oops, posted to the wrong thread.
http://gilmermirror.com/bookmark/23272594/article-extreme%20shunning#.ufwjurllscm.facebook.
extreme shunningthe gilmer mirror.
its time to outlaw extreme shunning in modern society by: richard e. kelly .
Even if they pass a law against the shunning, that will not stop the attitude behind the practice. The lack of love and concern will show through even as they go through the motions of being "family" to appease the authorities. The point is to punish; if they cannot overtly banish, they will find other ways to inflict the pain. The sinister aspect of the Watchtower shunning policy is that it teaches members, especially children, that such behavior is not only acceptable, but also admirable--and mandatory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yldwe_6jsu.
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cedars.
Regarding family members who oppose us, or family members who are disfellowshipped...
An interesting point there: according to his words, you don't have to be a current or former Witness to be shunned. All that is necessary is to "oppose us", where "us" means the Watchtower Society. I knew that to be true, being a non-witness who married a JW, but this is the first time I have seen them say so in as many words.
About the "head of household" exception: don't bet on it, that only applies to "necessary familly business". Necesssity is subject to change without notice, at the whim of the ones doing the shunning.
Thank you Cedars, great work!
Louis
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http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/dog_attack_victim_recovering_back_to_jehovahs_witness/20130629_11_a1_cutlin782235?subj=1.
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an 80-pound pit bull burst through the front door of a house in the 200 block of N. Lewis Place and attacked her ministry companion and longtime friend, Irene Parker, 78... Wright grabbed a baseball bat from the dog's owner who was standing by screaming... The attack ended when a man working two blocks away heard the screams, grabbed a gun from his truck, distracted and shot the dog.
That is sick! What kind of person lets their dog attack an old woman, then does not physically stop their dog, waiting so long that help could arrive from two blocks away?
"jws leaders need to mandate elder bodies to uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction; prohibit elders from being involved in any investigative process to decide guilt or innocence in place of the authorities; do away with the two-witness rule to determine, as if they were magistrates, guilt or innocence of someone accused; prohibit so-called repentant molesters from engaging in the door-to-door ministry, and always inform the congregation if a convicted or confessed molester is meeting with them.
" -barbara anderson .
this is another reason why the watchtower society doesn't require that the elders uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction.
"Most states have child-abuse reporting laws that, depending on the facts, mandate elders to report an accusation to the authorities. Thus, when elders learn of an accusation of child abuse, two elders from their congregation should immediately call the Legal Department for legal advice."
The law requires reporting to the proper authorities, not to your attorney, nor to the Watchtower Society's attorneys. Seeking advice from the legal department is a risky move. Consider these (rhetorical) questions:
I think sanctions are in order for the state attorney. Her office withheld evidence from the defense, then she fired an employee who had doubts about that, who consulted a private attorney, and who (based on that legal advice) made the withholding of evidence known to the defense. Think prosectuorial misconduct. Think retaliatory firing.
"jws leaders need to mandate elder bodies to uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction; prohibit elders from being involved in any investigative process to decide guilt or innocence in place of the authorities; do away with the two-witness rule to determine, as if they were magistrates, guilt or innocence of someone accused; prohibit so-called repentant molesters from engaging in the door-to-door ministry, and always inform the congregation if a convicted or confessed molester is meeting with them.
" -barbara anderson .
this is another reason why the watchtower society doesn't require that the elders uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction.
That's why I stated; “What authority gives this woman or the administrative position of Jehovah's Witnesses the right to require more from the elders than the federal government?”
You really do miss the point! The document I quoted was produced by the federal government; the link I included to that document is to a federal government web site where they describe which state laws apply--what residents of the various states are required to do. Are you saying the federal Department of Health and Human Services doesn't know what they are talking about?
